XPost: alt.fan.j-garofalo, alt.atheism, alt.radio.talk
XPost: seattle.politics
From: Hellmstoffer@nonuyerbuisiness.net
retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:37:55 GMT, "Christopher Helms"
> wrote:
>
>>Anyway, by degrees I slowly realized that the world is nowhere near as
>>simple as conservatives would have us believe. It would be great if every
>>problem could be solved with either a tax cut or a smart bomb. I wish the
>>world was like that and maybe that will to believe is what makes Rush, Fox
>>News etc. so popular. Maybe the entire conservative movement is some sort
of
>>a collective prayer or the expression of a desire to return to a world
that
>>simply doesn't exist anymore, assuming it ever really did.
>
>
>I'm impressed. Seriously. I wish more conservatives (and liberals)
>understood this.
Well thanks.
>Dogma generally and Conservatism specifically is about simple answers
>so you don't have to worry or think. But simple answers can get you
>into complex messes. And they won't get you out. Iraq is a fine
>example of that. No welcoming parades.
Well, there was sort of a welcoming parade but I believe that was staged.
Everybody running around the base of the Saddam statue with identical
American flags should have been suspicious lookng to a lot of people. What
originally turned me against invading Iraq was the realization that the
whole concept was being peddled to us like potato chips or something. Nobody
had to sell war to us after Pearl Harbor, and most people understood that
invading Afganistan was a response to Sept. 11th and the Talibans refusal to
turn over bin Laden. A legitimate war doesn't need to be sold. Nobody had to
crank the public into a frenzy for Afganistan and the Bush administration
didn't have to keep changing the rationalization for it. Even if you didn't
agree with it, at least you understood what we were doing and why.
No oil paying for everything. A
>nascent civil war, threatening to destabilize the entire region,
>allienating our allies, and a great risk that we've set up the next
>fundamentalist Shia state. And that's just for starters.
There's no way in hell we can be out of there by June 30th or whatever the
supposed date is for handing over power without either having the country
end up as your "fundamentalist Shia state" or something else equally nasty.
Those people are becoming united under a common hatred of us. I don't think
it's all "Saddam loyalists" that are doing all this, either. Those people
are reacting to us the same way we'd react if somebody stomped into our
country and started telling us how things were gonna be. Saddam may have
been a prick, but he was no threat to us. We are the aggressor in this. We
are the bad guys. We started this and there's no clean way we can finish it.
That ignorant gasbag Rush was on today saying we should have just starting
shooting the Iraqis en masse the second they started showing any displeasure
with our presence in their country but somehow or other our militarys hands
were tied. He failed to explain how. He sat in the climate-controlled booth
on the 96th floor of the EIB building in his $5000.00 suit and cooed into
the solid gold microphone that Rule By Terror was "positive reinforcement."
Great plan, Limbaugh, and a wonderful illustration of that "Sanctity of
Life" you people are always spouting off about. Let's start displaying the
same sort of behavior that made Saddam and Hitler and Pol Pot such endearing
historical characters. If we're going to start killing people on Rushs scale
(Hundreds of thousands to start) we are going to have serious logistical
problems that can only be solved with things like mass graves and
cremetoria.
I think it was Neitzsche who said something like when fighting monsters,
take care that you don't become a monster yourself.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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