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   Dr. Harold Paul Goldfinger to All   
   Hanoi John Kerry LIES About Anti-war Act   
   13 Apr 04 21:00:25   
   
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   From: hpgoldfinger@N0SPAM.C0M   
      
   Hanoi John Kerry LIES About Anti-war Activities Because He Hates   
   America.   
      
      
   Marc Morano   
   Thursday, March 18, 2004   
      
   A Vietnam War historian and supporter of Democrat presidential   
   candidate John Kerry has told CNSNews.com that Kerry is lying about   
   key events related to his anti-war activities in 1971. Kerry said he   
   hasn't spoken to former anti-war associate Al Hubbard since the two   
   men appeared side by side on national television in April 1971, but   
   according to author Gerald Nicosia, that assertion is wrong. So is   
   Kerry's   
   insistence that he did not attend a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam   
   Veterans Against the War, at which group members discussed the   
   possibility of assassinating U.S. senators who were still supporting   
   the war in Vietnam, Nicosia said.   
      
   Nicosia backed up his comments regarding Kerry's presence at the   
   November 1971 meeting by providing CNSNews.com with the FBI's redacted   
   files about that meeting.   
      
   Questions about events that happened 33 years ago continue to nag the   
   Kerry candidacy as the Massachusetts Democrat's November match-up   
   against President Bush comes into sharper focus.   
      
   Kerry faces increasing skepticism about answers he gave to certain   
   questions as well as recent statements he made, including his claim   
   that some foreign leaders had told him they were hopeful Bush would be   
   defeated this year.   
      
   Among the questions surrounding Kerry's involvement as a 27-year-old   
   anti-war protester are those about his relationship with Hubbard, the   
   former executive director of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Kerry   
   and Hubbard appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" on April 18, 1971 to   
   argue for an end to the war.   
      
   But shortly thereafter, Hubbard, who had been introduced on the NBC   
   program as a decorated Air Force captain, was exposed for having   
   exaggerated his military credentials. A separate news investigation   
   revealed that there were no military records showing that Hubbard had   
   either served in Vietnam or was   
   injured there.   
      
   Last week, during a Capitol Hill news conference, CNSNews.com asked   
   Kerry whether he was still in touch with Hubbard or whether he was   
   willing to repudiate him because of Hubbard's fabricated war record.   
      
   "I haven't talked to Al Hubbard since that week" of the "Meet the   
   Press" appearance, Kerry replied. He also said he did not believe that   
   VVAW's credibility was hurt as a result of Hubbard falsifying his war   
   record.   
      
   Bull   
      
   But Gerald Nicosia, author of the book "Home to War: A History of the   
   Vietnam Veterans' Movement" and a Kerry supporter, disagreed with   
   Kerry's contention that he and Hubbard saw no more of each other after   
   the week of April 18, 1971.   
      
   "That is bull****. No, no, [Kerry] saw [Hubbard] at numerous meetings   
   after that, including the one I talk about in my book, the July   
   meeting in St. Louis," Nicosia told CNSNews.com.   
      
   [Kerry] saw [Hubbard] in July, and according to FBI [files on Vietnam   
   Veterans Against the War] and the minutes of those meetings, [Kerry]   
   probably saw him in November [1971] too," Nicosia said.   
      
   200 Witnesses   
      
   Kerry and Hubbard had a heated argument at the St. Louis meeting in   
   July that was "witnessed by 200 veterans," according to Nicosia.   
      
   Despite the presidential candidate's claim last week that Hubbard had   
   not hurt the anti-war group's credibility in 1971, Kerry actually   
   believed otherwise, according to Nicosia.   
      
   "There was a big fight with Al Hubbard in which Kerry confronted him   
   and they were screaming at each other across the hall," Nicosia   
   explained. Hubbard, who had ties to the radical Black Panthers, and   
   Kerry "couldn't have been more opposite personalities," Nicosia said.   
      
   The simmering tension between the two men finally reached a boil in   
   St. Louis, Nicosia said, with Kerry shouting, "Who are you, Al   
   Hubbard? Are you even really a veteran?   
      
   "So it was a big screaming match," he added.   
      
   'Awkward Position'   
      
   Nicosia told CNSNews.com he was uncomfortable disputing Kerry's   
   statements.   
      
   "I am in kind of an awkward position here. I am a Kerry supporter, and   
   I certainly don't want to do anything that hurts him. On the other   
   hand, my number one allegiance is to truth. So I am going to go with   
   where the facts are, and John is going to have to deal with that,"   
   Nicosia said.   
      
   "I am having some problems with the things he is saying right now,   
   which are not matching up with accuracy," he added.   
      
   Talk of Assassinating Senators   
      
   Nicosia also disputed Kerry's denial that he was in attendance when   
   VVAW members met in Kansas City in November 1971 to discuss the   
   possibility of assassinating U.S. senators still committed to the   
   Vietnam War.   
      
   Kerry was at the meeting, Nicosia insisted, pointing to FBI files and   
   the minutes from the VVAW meeting, which he has obtained. "The minutes   
   of the meeting, November 12th through the 15th, it's got John Kerry   
   there, it's got John Kerry resigning there on the third day," Nicosia   
   said.   
      
   Nicosia provided CNSNews.com with a copy of the FBI's redacted files   
   of that November 1971 VVAW meeting. The files refer to the fact that   
   Kerry had "resigned for 'personal reasons.'"   
      
   "You are talking to a Kerry supporter, but I will tell you, after   
   everything that I have heard and seen, I would conclude that he was   
   there," he added.   
      
   'Negative Thing'   
      
   Nicosia said he was not sure why Kerry is answering questions on the   
   issue in the manner he is.   
      
   "Why didn't Clinton say he [had sex with] Monica Lewinsky? It took him   
   until he had to be confronted with the hard evidence before he said he   
   did," Nicosia said.   
      
   "I think [Kerry] may be worried or the people around him may be   
   worried that his association with VVAW is a very negative thing and   
   they want John to back away from it," he said.   
      
   Nicosia concluded with advice for Kerry.   
      
   "The chickens are coming home to roost, and unfortunately he is   
   starting to backtrack, and I personally don't think backtracking is   
   going to work because people are going to go at him and find the   
   discrepancies," Nicosia said.   
      
   As recently as two days ago, Kerry's presidential campaign spokesman   
   David Wade told the New York Sun, "Kerry was not at the Kansas City   
   meeting." Wade added that Kerry had resigned from the VVAW "sometime   
   in the summer of 1971."   
      
      
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