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   "Guardenman"  wrote in message   
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   > Liberals-HATE-America! wrote:   
   > >   
   > > "Guardenman"  wrote in message   
   > > news:407A1A76.8B2E6B17@charter.net...   
   > >   
   > > > The ACLU is an organization dedicated to protecting the rights   
   > > > guaranteed in the constitution.   
   > >   
   > > In your left-wing dreams.   
   >   
   > No actually that is why they where formed.   
      
   Really?   
      
    "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the   
   state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek   
   social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class,   
   and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.   
   It all sums up into one single purpose -- the abolition of dog-eat-dog   
   under which we live. I don't regret being part of the communist   
   tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I   
   wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United   
   Front road to get it."   
   -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)   
      
      
   > 1. These are two separate issues. The ACLU does not promote sex with   
   > children.   
      
   Right they just defend it.   
      
   > 2. They are defending NAMBLA (isn't it NAMLBA ?) on the issue of weather   
   > or not they are allowed to have a web page and some other publications.   
      
   A web site and publications which promote sex with children.   
      
   > That is a constitutional issue.   
      
   No, this is a criminal issue.   
      
   I am sure that many within the ACLU are   
   > sicken at the thought of defending child molesters.   
      
   Many, but not you, huh?   
      
   That doesn't mean   
   > they are not granted certain rights under the constitution.   
      
   You have no constitutional right to promote the molestation of little boys.   
      
   > > ACLU to Defend NAMBLA   
   > >   
   > >   Associated Press   
   > >   Aug. 31, 2000   
   > >   
   > >   BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union will represent a group   
   that   
   > > advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of   
   a   
   > > slain 10-year-old.   
   > >   
   > >   The family of Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge said the North American   
   Man/Boy   
   > > Love Association and its web site which is now off-line incited the   
   > > attempted molestation and murder of the boy on Oct. 1, 1997.   
   > >   
   > >   One of two men convicted in the killing, Charles Jaynes, 25,   
   reportedly   
   > > viewed the group's web site shortly before the killing, and also had in   
   his   
   > > possession some of NAMBLA's publications. Also convicted in the killing   
   was   
   > > 24-year-old Salvatore Sicari.   
   > >   
   > >   The ACLU said the case, filed in federal court in mid-May, involves   
   issues   
   > > of freedom of speech and association.   
   > >   
   > >   "For us, it is a fundamental First Amendment case," John Roberts,   
   > > executive director of the Massachusetts branch of the ACLU, told Boston   
   > > Globe Wednesday. "It has to do with communications on a web site, and   
   > > material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior   
   whatsoever."   
   > >   
   > >   ACLU officials said NAMBLA members deny encouraging coercion, rape or   
   > > violence.   
   > >   
   > >   Attorney Lawrence Frisoli, who represents the Curleys, said he is glad   
   the   
   > > ACLU is defending NAMBLA, because he has had trouble locating the   
   group's   
   > > members.   
   > >   
   > >   Harvey Silverglate, an ACLU board member, said Wednesday that the   
   group's   
   > > attorneys will try to block any attempt by the Curleys to get NAMBLA's   
   > > membership lists, or other materials identifying members.   
   > >   
   > >   The ACLU also will act as a surrogate for NAMBLA, allowing its members   
   to   
   > > defend themselves in court while remaining anonymous.   
   > >   
   > >   According to the Globe, NAMBLA officials in the past have said their   
   main   
   > > goal is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with   
   children   
   > > as rape.   
   > >   
   > >   At two separate trials last year, prosecutors said Jaynes and Sicari   
   were   
   > > sexually obsessed with the boy, lured him from his Cambridge   
   neighborhood   
   > > with the promise of a new bike, and then smothered him with a   
   > > gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances. They then   
   > > stuffed him into a concrete-filled container and dumped it into a Maine   
   > > river.   
   > >   
   > >   Sicari, convicted of first-degree murder, is serving a life sentence   
   > > without the possibility of parole. Jaynes' second-degree murder and   
   > > kidnapping convictions enable him to seek parole in 23 years.   
   > >   
   > >   The Curleys last week were awarded $328 million by a superior court   
   jury   
   > > in a civil suit against Jaynes and Sicari   
      
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