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   XPost: alt.fan.howard-stern   
   From: stderr2@backpacker.com   
      
   lab~rat wrote:   
   >   
   > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:31:48 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies   
   > down on Broadway'' )"   puked:   
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   > >   
   > >lab~rat wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:02:36 GMT, "Bill"  puked:   
   > >>   
   > >> >I don't think the biggest question is whether Rumsfield lied or not, or   
   > >> >whether the Democrats would have done a worse job, etc. The main issue   
   is why   
   > >> >have not the trucks been up-armored? Apparently 90% of the 5,000, or so,   
   > >> >medium weight trucks in Iraq have not been up-armored. WHY?   
   > >>   
   > >> Of course, you guys are all the geniuses, but since when have Humvees   
   > >> been classified as armored vehicles?   
   > >>   
   > >The argument is that all vehicles in a war zone should be armoured.   
   >   
   > That's a stupid argument.  I imagine that argument started during this   
   > conflict, because how were they armoring Jeeps back before Humvees?   
   >   
   They weren't. Military vehicles often had no tops and no doors. The idea   
   was to get out and quickly take cover.   
      
      
   > Oh, and what about helicopters and airplanes?  Those are vehicles,   
   > right?   
   >   
   This would be comparing the design philosophies of the F-15, for   
   example, and the A-10.   
      
      
   > And of course the reality is that armoring these vehicles is   
   > largely a psychological issue because it isn't protecting anyone from   
   > roadside bombs.   
   >   
   > This is just another anti-Bush thing, admit it...   
   >   
   I think that it is with some people. I think also that armour has been   
   show to mitigate some of the effects of some of the IEDs. Since at least   
   one main battle tank was flipped by an IED, I expect that armour alone   
   isn't the answer. We are talking about people who don't really have a   
   shortage of explosives and can therefore build the bomb as big as they   
   need to.   
      
      
      
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