XPost: alt.politics, talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.j-garofalo   
   From: stderr2@backpacker.com   
      
   Bill wrote:   
   >   
   > "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"   
      
      
   > >> Yes the IEDs are put by the side of the road typically. If it were   
   possible   
   > >> to   
   > >> drive off the road to avoid them I'm sure it would have occurred to   
   people.   
   > >>   
   > > These trucks probably can't go off road, not in the sand. I was   
   > > suggesting a new transport vehicle that could avoid roads.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > And what does that have to do with the issue?   
   >   
   Because I'd rather go around the IED than build something to withstand   
   the explosion.   
      
      
   > >> Again this is not the issue. The issue is why did it take so long?   
   > >>   
   > > These trucks have never had armour and weren't designed for armour.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > But they can be armoured and the question still remains why did it take so   
   > long.   
   >   
   I thought that pointing out that the trucks weren't designed for armour   
   and never had armour would be a clue.   
      
      
      
      
   > > I know they are doing it. It took time to design and deal with all the   
   > > issues of armouring something that wasn't intended to get armour. I was   
   > > trying to explain that there is a mindset in the military toward lighter   
   > > vehicles, away from armour, because this allows rapid deployment.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > Yes, yes. That is the point. That is why it took so long. See my original   
   > post. Group think and not recognizing what is clearly in front of you.   
   >   
   It still isn't proved that armour is the answer. The military has been   
   moving away from heavy armour, as I said before.   
      
      
      
      
   > >> I understand the issues. You have come to a conclusion which is not   
   > >> supported   
   > >> by the facts - that the reason it is taking so long to upgrade the armor   
   on   
   > >> trucks is becuase it is not needed   
   > >>   
   > > I didn't say it wasn't needed in the context we are in now. Of course I   
   > > do believe that body armour and riding on the outside of the vehicle   
   > > might be better. More work needs to be done.   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > Why did it take so long? That was the question.   
   >   
   How long should it take to design something for something that wasn't   
   designed to take it?   
      
      
      
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