From: Josjoha@market.socialism.nl   
      
   On 2023-06-15, davidp  wrote:   
   > Seraphina, June 5   
   > There's also the problem with all forms of socialism that they are   
   > founded on the idea of central planning.   
      
   Not true. Communism (compare "Commune") usually is about central   
   planning. Socialism (compare "being social") not necessarily so.   
      
   Both movements stand against movements like Eugenics, Fascism. They both   
   reject the idea in (unrestrained) Capitalism that people may be exploited   
   if necessary to the death, or left to die of poverty despite being good   
   people willing to work, if that is what "the markets" say, where these   
   markets are typically controlled by an Oligarchy who owns most of it.   
      
   Some groups of Socialist leaning people eventually accepted the idea   
   that a Capitalist economy can be paired with a democratic Parliament to   
   mittigate its evils. Perhaps these can be called Social Capitalists.   
      
   Personally I propose a system which is build around the market. A   
   critical difference with Capitalism, is that the goal is not to let an   
   Oligarchy get all the power so they may abuse people, but rather to keep   
   the power spread out to all. One of the most important ideas to   
   effectuate this goal is to understand what is being sold in a market,   
   why a market works. A market works on the effort put into that which is   
   being sold.   
      
   Raw land (natural resources) are not made by humans (the planet,   
   ultimately the entire Universe). Land is not fit to be traded as if it   
   is a commodity. Land needs to be distributed as a free right.   
      
   It is interesting to notice that distribution of land was a natural   
   given before agriculture. The power to control land permanently did not   
   exist. An economy of products and services can exist in a   
   pre-agricultural society (stone age, hunter gatherers). This is what   
   humans are doing: they act out their simple economic ideas, but they   
   have not understood yet that land needs to be free as it always has   
   been, and that this is an essential component which made the markets   
   function. Where originally the land was free by natural effect, now this   
   needs to be done artificially, by human activity.   
      
   Markets are inherently social, they run on agreement and mutual benefit.   
   Markets belong in the ideological arsenal of a socially minded person   
   (loosely: Socialist, if you will).   
      
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