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      From: lessgovt@gmail.com              China’s Economy Faces Yet Another Threat: Falling Prices       By Keith Bradsher, Aug. 9, 2023, NY Times              The U.S. has spent much of the past 18 months struggling to control inflation.       China is experiencing the opposite problem: People and businesses are not       spending, pushing the economy to the verge of a pernicious condition called       deflation.              Consumer prices in China, after barely rising for the previous several months,       fell in July for the first time in more than two years, the country’s       National Bureau of Statistics announced on Wednesday. For 10 straight months,       the wholesale prices        generally paid by businesses to factories and other producers have been down       from a year earlier. Real estate prices are tumbling.              Those patterns have amplified concerns about deflation, a potentially       crippling pattern of broadly falling prices that tends to also depress the net       worth of households — as it did in Japan for years — and make it very hard       for borrowers to repay        their loans.              Deflation is particularly serious in a country with very high debt, like       China. Overall debt is now larger in China, compared with national economic       output, than in the United States.              The Chinese govt has pressured economists inside the country not to mention       the possibility of deflation, while publicly denying that deflation poses any       risk.              “Generally speaking, there is no deflation in Chinese society, and there       won’t be in the future,” Fu Linghui, a National Bureau of Statistics       official, declared at a news briefing on July 17.              But economists are concerned.              It has been nearly 8 months since China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, relaxed       stringent pandemic measures that had paralyzed many parts of the economy.       After exhibiting bursts of energy early this year, the Chinese economy, the       world’s second largest        after that of the United States, has started to slow. Economic policymakers       are under increasing pressure to step in to help revive growth, something they       have signaled a readiness to do but have not yet carried out in a meaningful       way.              “The Chinese economy is squarely facing the specter of deflation, increasing       the urgency of government measures to stimulate the economy and, perhaps more       importantly, steps to rebuild household and business confidence,” said Eswar       Prasad, an        economics prof at Cornell and former China division chief at the I.M.F.              The prospect of sustained deflation only adds to China’s difficult problems       when geopolitical tensions are driving the United States and other key       economic partners like Germany to seek alternatives to China as a primary       source of manufactured goods.              A weak appetite for Chinese goods from domestic and foreign buyers alike,       demonstrated by a steep slide in exports this summer, represents a challenge       for China, said Wang Dan, the chief economist at Hang Seng Bank China. Low       exports are “driven by        both slowing demand from the developed world and an effort to diversify supply       away from China,” she said.              Consumer prices were down 0.3% in July from a year earlier. They were pulled       down by declining food prices — particularly for pork, a staple of the       Chinese diet — and falling car prices, the result of a price war and heavy       discounting in the auto        industry.              Some measures of consumer prices, such as those for clothing, shoes and       particularly health care, still showed small increases.              But producer prices declined 4.4% last month from July 2022, as weak demand       forced factories and other businesses to cut prices.              Perhaps most worryingly, particularly in a country where 3/5 of household       assets are tied up in real estate, housing prices are falling.              Prices of existing homes in 100 cities across China have fallen an average of       14% from their peak in August 2021, according to the Beike Research Institute,       a Tianjin firm. Rents have fallen 5%.              Prices for new homes are much harder to assess. Official data shows smaller       price declines for new apartments, but local governments have put heavy       pressure on developers not to cut prices. That has prompted developers to       pursue strategies like offering        free parking spaces and other discounts, effectively pulling down the overall       price of the home in ways that may not be readily reflected in government data.              The standard remedy for deflation is for the government to pump up the money       supply, notably by encouraging banks to lend more. But not a lot of companies       or households have shown much interest lately in borrowing, with the exception       of state-owned        enterprises, which are under instructions from government agencies to continue       borrowing and investing even in projects with low returns.              China avoided broad deflation in early 2009, when prices fell during the       global financial crisis, and again in 2012, when it also faced weak foreign       and domestic demand. But rescuing the economy was easier then. Real estate       prices have soared over the        past decade, as China’s central bank has pumped out vast sums to keep the       economy growing briskly and prevent the country’s currency, the renminbi,       from becoming strong enough to undermine the export competitiveness of the       country’s factories.              Last week, Chinese officials called on local and provincial governments to       enact a series of measures to encourage consumers to spend. But the central       government has been reluctant to pay for more consumer spending.              That caution has prompted economists outside mainland China to question       whether the recent steps will make much of a difference.              “It’s like a high school principal exhorting his students to do better,       rather than a measure to support economic activity,” said Andrew Collier at       Orient Capital Research in Hong Kong.              Adam S. Posen, the president of the Peterson Institute for International       Economics in Washington, attributed China’s current economic weaknesses to       Mr. Xi’s extreme response to Covid. In an article last week in Foreign       Affairs, Mr. Posen called the        phenomenon “economic long Covid.” Consumer confidence suffered lasting       harm from municipal lockdowns, mass testing and the forced removal of very       large numbers of people to specially built quarantine camps.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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