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      From: lessgovt@gmail.com              Could the U.S. Have Ended World War II With a ‘Demonstration’ Bomb?       By Evan Thomas, Aug. 5, 2023, WSJ       To end WWII, was it necessary to drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities,       killing roughly 200,000 people? Instead, couldn’t the U.S. have vividly       shown the power of its new weapon by blowing up a deserted Japanese       island—or maybe the top of Mount        Fuji—to shock Japan into surrendering? In the movie “Oppenheimer,” the       suggestion of staging a demonstration comes up only briefly, almost in       passing. The full story is more complicated and surprising, and it has       meaningful implications for the        alarming spread of nuclear weapons today.              The men in charge of building the atomic bomb could be cold-blooded. “Some       tender souls are appalled at the idea of the horrible destruction which this       bomb might wreak,” Navy Capt. William “Deak” Parsons, the chief of       ordnance for the Manhattan        Project, wrote to his boss, Gen. Leslie Groves, in September 1944. These       “tender souls,” scoffed Parsons, were pushing for a “demon       tration”—setting off a bomb in a desert or on an island in the Pacific,       and inviting the enemy to watch. Such a        demonstration would be a “fizzle,” Parsons wrote Groves. It would make a       big flash, but “even the crater would be disappointing.”              In late May 1945, Secretary of War Henry Stimson and a group of top officials       and scientists advising President Harry Truman briefly discussed staging a       demonstration of the bomb. But they summarily dismissed the idea. What,       someone asked, if the        Japanese attacked the plane carrying the bomb? What if the bomb was a dud?       What if the Japanese brought American POWs into the drop area? What if the       Japanese were simply not impressed? J. Robert Oppenheimer, director of the       Manhattan Project’s Los        Alamos Laboratory, himself seemed to reinforce this last point, saying that       witnesses would see “an enormous nuclear firecracker detonated at great       height doing little damage.”              The president’s advisers felt a sense of urgency because the alternatives to       dropping the bomb seemed grim. In June, Truman signed off on preparations for       a massive invasion of Kyushu, Japan’s southernmost island, scheduled for       Nov. 1. Army Chief of        Staff George C. Marshall estimated over 30,000 American casualties in the       first month, but he was lowballing the true figure. After the U.S. learned,       from intercepted cables, that Japan was waiting for the American invasion with       a million defenders and 7,       000 kamikaze suicide planes, more realistic estimates ranged from 200,000 to       one million Americans killed.              Fearing such enormous casualties, U.S. Navy and Army Air Force officials       wanted to blockade and bomb Japan into submission, which would have resulted       in millions of Japanese deaths from starvation and disease. To hasten       Japan’s surrender, Stimson        proposed letting the Japanese keep their emperor as a figurehead if they       capitulated first, but his suggestion was rejected by Truman and his Secretary       of State, Jimmy Byrnes.              Some scholars have seen a tragic lost opportunity in Truman’s refusal to       make a peace offer before dropping the atomic bomb. Truman’s (and especially       Byrnes’s) motivation, they say, was to intimidate the Russians. But the       diaries and records of        Japanese officials strongly suggest that the Japanese military, which       controlled the government, would have regarded a peace offering as a sign of       weakness and a further incentive to fight to the death. These men were       fanatical but not utterly irrational.        By massively bleeding the Americans, the military leaders of Japan hoped they       could avoid an American (and possibly Russian) occupation of their       nation—not to mention trials for their own war crimes.              In fact, even after the U.S. dropped two atomic bombs—on Hiroshima on Aug. 6       and Nagasaki on Aug. 9—the Japanese weren’t prepared to surrender       unconditionally. They still demanded that the U.S. allow Emperor Hirohito,       whom the Japanese regarded as        a deity, to remain sovereign. Japanese military leaders wanted to fight on       even after the second bomb fell on Nagasaki, and some officers began fomenting       a coup to take over the Imperial Palace.              The American Army Air Force commander in charge of bombing Japan, Gen. Carl       “Tooey” Spaatz, suggested dropping a third atomic bomb, this time in the       vast area of Tokyo—some 20 square miles—already burned out by American       fire-bombing raids in        March and May. Spaatz was in effect proposing a demonstration. He wanted       Japanese leaders to be in the “scare radius” of the bomb—close enough to       see the flash but not so close as to be killed. “It is believed,” he       cabled his boss in Washington,        Gen. Hap Arnold, “that the psychological effect on the government officials       still remaining in Tokio [as he spelled it] is more important at this time       than destruction.” In fact, even if dropped on a burned-out area, an atomic       bomb would have spread        deadly radioactive fallout, a phenomenon not well-understood at the time.              In Washington Spaatz’s idea was initially rejected, but it apparently caught       President Truman’s attention. According to a report from the British embassy       in Washington, at about noon on Aug. 14, as the Japanese appeared to be       dithering over whether        to surrender, Truman “remarked sadly” to British officials “that he now       had no alternative but to order the atomic bomb dropped on Tokyo.” A third       bomb would be ready for delivery by Aug. 20.              Fortunately, a few hours later Truman learned that the Japanese had accepted       America’s surrender terms. A small peace faction, led by Japanese Foreign       Minister Shigenori Togo, had finally persuaded the emperor to defy the       militarists. Hirohito would        remain on the throne, but he would be subject to the Supreme Allied Commander,       Gen. Douglas MacArthur, not the other way around.              Oppenheimer hoped that the horror of the atomic bomb would make the world       renounce nuclear war, and he has been proved right—so far. But with Russia       and China building up their nuclear forces, the threat is once again growing.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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