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|    U.S. Knew Saudis Were Killing African Mi    |
|    03 Sep 23 10:57:35    |
      From: lessgovt@gmail.com              U.S. Knew Saudis Were Killing African Migrants       By Ben Hubbard and Edward Wong, Aug. 26, 2023, NY Times       Last fall, American diplomats received grim news that border guards in Saudi       Arabia, a close U.S. partner in the Middle East, were using lethal force       against African migrants who were trying to enter the kingdom from Yemen.              The diplomats got more detail in December, when United Nations officials       presented them with information about Saudi security forces shooting, shelling       and abusing migrants, leaving many dead and wounded, according to U.S.       officials and a person who        attended the meetings, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity since they       were not authorized to speak to journalists.              In the months since, American officials have not publicly criticized the       Saudis’ conduct, although State Dept officials said this past week,       following a published report of the killings, that U.S. diplomats have raised       the issue with their Saudi        counterparts and asked them to investigate. It remains unclear whether those       discussions have affected Saudi actions.              The Saudi security forces’ violence along the border came to the fore in a       report by Human Rights Watch on Monday that accused them of shooting and       firing explosive projectiles at Ethiopian migrants, killing hundreds, and       perhaps thousands, of them        during the 15-month period that ended in June.              The report was based on interviews with migrants and their associates, photos       and videos and satellite photos of the border area. It cited migrants who said       Saudi guards had asked them which limb they preferred before shooting them in       the arm or leg and        a 17-year-old boy who said guards had forced him and another migrant to rape       two girls as the guards looked on.              The report said that if killing migrants were official Saudi policy, it could       be a crime against humanity.              In January, Richard Mills, the deputy U.S. rep to the U.N., made an oblique       reference to the issue, saying at a Security Council briefing on Yemen that       “we remain concerned by alleged abuses against migrants on the border with       Saudi Arabia.”              “We urge all parties to allow U.N. investigators to access both sides of the       border to thoroughly investigate these allegations,” Mr. Mills added,       without mentioning that U.S., European and U.N. officials had recently learned       that many Africans had        been killed by Saudi Arabia’s border forces.              In a statement sent to The New York Times on Saturday night, after this       article was initially published, the State Department said the United States       learned about specific accusations after the U.N. High Commissioner for Human       Rights publicly released        letters it had sent on the issue to Saudi Arabia and to Houthi officials in       Yemen in late 2022. (A response rebutting the accusations sent by Saudi       diplomats in March indicates at least one U.N. letter was sent on October 3.       The public release was 60        days later, the State Dept said.)              “The U.S.A. quickly engaged senior Saudi officials to express our       concern,” the department said, adding that U.S. officials “have continued       to regularly raise our concerns with Saudi contacts,” including at the       Security Council briefing in        January.              The new details about the Saudi border killings come as Biden seeks to       overcome past tensions and cinch a diplomatic breakthrough between Saudi       Arabia and Israel.              Late last year, around the time when U.S. diplomats were learning about the       border violence, Mr. Biden accused Saudi Arabia of acting against U.S.       interests over other issues. Saudi leaders had cut oil production, potentially       leading to a rise in global        oil prices before the midterm elections. Biden administration officials       thought they had reached a secret agreement for the Saudis to increase       production. Biden vowed to impose “consequences” on Saudi Arabia.              Further straining relations, Saudi Arabia had declined to join Western       sanctions on Russia after its invasion of Ukraine. And Riyadh’s decision to       decrease oil production seemed to support Russia’s economy, which relies on       oil and gas exports.              But in recent months, Biden and his aides have been talking to Saudi officials       about their country establishing diplomatic relations with Israel, which would       be a major geopolitical coup. In those discussions, the Saudis have asked the       U.S. for security        guarantees, more lethal weapons and help with a nuclear energy program. Biden       might speak with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the de facto leader of       Saudi Arabia, on the sidelines of a leadership summit of the Group of 20       nations next month in New        Delhi, India.              Some members of Congress, mostly Democrats, have strongly criticized Saudi       Arabia for its human rights record, including its yearslong war in Yemen.       Those lawmakers will almost certainly raise further doubts about selling more       arms to Saudi Arabia or        working with it on a civilian nuclear program, which some U.S. officials fear       could be cover for a nuclear weapons program.              Among those briefed on the killing last December by U.N. officials was Steven       H. Fagin, the U.S. ambassador to Yemen, according to a person who was present.       Around that time, the United Nations also shared information with others at       the State Department        and with diplomats from France, Germany, Holland, Sweden and the E.U., this       person said.              Inside Yemen, the border killings are anything but secret. Some attacks are       reported on Yemeni TV, and many of those wounded end up in Yemeni hospitals.              “We face these cases daily coming from the border areas: dead and seriously       wounded, women, old people and children,” Mujahid al-Anisi, the head of the       emergency unit at al-Jumhori Hospital, a Yemeni facility near the main       crossing zone, told the The        New York Times by phone on Wednesday.              The hospital receives an average of four or five cases a day, he said. Many       are found by the road unconscious and driven 12 hours to the hospital with       wounds in their heads, chests and abdomens that require urgent surgeries. Some       need amputations. About        one in 10 are women.              “These people arrive so worried and badly wounded,” he said.              Aid workers and United Nations officials have been tracking the violence since       early last year, but international efforts to investigate the matter have been       few, and public efforts to make it stop even fewer.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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