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|    QUORA: WHAT IF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION    |
|    09 Jan 24 22:09:33    |
      From: lessgovt@gmail.com              QUORA: WHAT IF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION HAD STARTED 2,000 YEARS AGO RATHER       THAN 200?       answered by Susanna Viljanen, Knows Finnish, Oct 26, 2023       It actually did. Unfortunately, there is this thing called van Loon’s law.       It dictates: The level of technological progress in any society is inversely       proportional to the number of slaves in the said society.              So you have to first get rid of slavery before any technological advancement       will happen. In a slave-owning society, all technology will remain as mere       curiosities and gadgets.              Van Loon’s law reflects the observation that slave-owning societies are       averse to any technology and labour-saving machines. Already the Roman Emperor       Titus executed the man who claimed to have invented a machine which does the       work of 100 slaves. It        would have disrupted the societal order.              So first you had to get rid of slavery. The only way to get rid of slavery is       a religion which prohibits slavery. There have historically been five of them:       Christianity, Judaism, Sikhism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism. So the       technological revolution        could have begun only in those cultural spheres.              Slavery ended in Europe with Christianization - first in the Roman Europe by       the Dark Ages and then in the Northern Europe at the end of the Viking era.       This dictates the earliest point when technological evolution can begin for       good.              Why religion? Because of oxytocin. We humans are b@stards. Actually we are       b@stard-coated b@stards with b@stard filling. Oxytocin is the pleasure       hormone. And we get nowhere as great kicks than from subjugating, tormenting,       bullying, enslaving and        abusing our fellow human beings. It is about domination. This is why bullying       happens in the schools - the bullies get their kicks from it. Slavery is       domination primarily and economy only secondarily. Domination gives us an       incredible oxytocin surge. Do        you think I hadn’t enjoyed abusing my power as a leader in the military? I       mean, I am not exactly innocent myself either.              Only religion can cut that vicious circle. Religion is the most profound       leverage point in the Donella Meadows’s 12 leverage points theorem, and       religion can and will change a society in a far more profound way than       anything else, because it is the        power to transcend the paradigms.              And don’t come telling me Bible allows slavery. It sure weren’t the       Secular Humanists who ended slavery in Europe in the Dark Ages, and most       Christians are not Biblical literalists.              Once you get rid of slavery, you need to invent rudimentary technology - i.e.       harness the forces of the nature - wind, tide, water etc. You need to develop       metallurgy and chemical engineering, and material sciences. Anything which       saves human labour, as        the price of human labour is now the bottleneck. The Dark Ages were actually a       serious period of gadgeteering, and laid the basis for the real technological       revolution.              I mean, as fun as it is to whip the woman who is your sex slave in the night,       to grind the quern-stones at the day, windmills and watermills are just far       more efficient to produce flour.              Once you have gotten rid of slavery, you have to get the rule of law. It is to       ensure that no instance with enough violence potential can seize your valuable       assets by just like that. If the only law in the country is a religious law       and the ruler’s        whim (vis et voluntas) there is absolutely no warranty of property and       ownership - and no incentive to develop any kind of technology. If, however,       the law is above the ruler himself, and the law recognizes both the sanctity       of ownership of both material        assets and intellectual property, the road is open. This is why Russia has       always been a technologically backwards despotism, whose economy is based on       extraction of natural resources, and all its attempts to found its own Silicon       Valley are always bound        to fail.              The thing with science fiction writers is that most of them are engineers, and       the heroes have open budgets and do not need to worry about economy. But to       develop technology, you need a stable economy. You need to develop Capitalism       first. Sorry, no such        thing in the bazaar economies. And Capitalism began to evolve in Italy by       1200, and was fully developed by the 17th century. Before that, only       gadgeteering.              The third requirement is the rise of sciences. That began with the emergence       of universities in the 11th century. To develop sciences, you need a religion       which separates between mysticism and philosophy and which recognizes an       objective reality, to        discover the connection between philosophy and mathematics, to discover the       connection between mathematics and engineering, and to develop a system where       all these things merge. This happened in the Late Middle Ages.              The Industrial Revolution happened just at the right moment. It could not have       happened any earlier, because nobody met the required secondary powers       earlier. You need to get all the required secondary powers in action first -       only then can the real        thing happen. The 200 years of Industrial Revolution was preceded by 2000       years of Religious, Philosophical, Societal, Technological, Scientific and       Economical Evolution.              Conversely, it didn’t need to have happened in England. It could have       happened anywhere if the required secondary powers had been attained there,       and it could have happened earlier if those required secondary powers had been       attained earlier. Sweden        was well on its way already in the 17th century - Christopher Polhem is       considered as the father of Swedish technology. Unfortunately Sweden did not       possess true Capitalism, and its economy did not enable industrialization.       True capitalism happened only        in the era of Anders Chydenius. He is also considered as the father of the       Swedish welfare state.              China was a strong contender - they had most of the required secondary powers.       Buddhism prohibites slavery, they had rule of law (instead of Emperor’s       whim), they had a lot of innovations and they had a stable society.       Unfortunately Confucianism        loathes commerce - they never developed Capitalism, and the Chinese sciences       lagged behind Europe - they didn’t even know Earth is a sphere until the       Jesuits taught them. But is it surprise to anyone that once China acquired all       the required secondary        powers, it has now become the powerhouse of the world?              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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