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      From: lessgovt@gmail.com              Russia’s New Threats to Exiles: Seized Assets and Forced Returns       By Anton Troianovski, Feb. 1, 2024, New York Times       In Bangkok this week, members of an antiwar Russian-language rock group were       fighting deportation to Russia, detained in what supporters described as a       cramped, hot, 80-person immigration holding cell.              On Wednesday in Moscow, the lower house of Parliament passed a law that will       allow the Russian government to seize the property of Russians living abroad       who, in the words of the legislature’s chairman, “besmirch our country.”              The two developments, though thousands of miles apart, reflected the same grim       calculus by the Kremlin: Using new legislation and apparent diplomatic       pressure on other countries, it is turning the screws on Russia’s sprawling       antiwar diaspora.              “Historic Russia has risen up,” Putin said at a meeting with backers of       his presidential campaign on Wednesday, reprising his contention that the time       has come to cleanse Russian society of pro-Western elements. “All this scum       that’s always        present in any society is being slowly, slowly washed away.”              Under the law, any Russian, even those in exile, found to be engaged in       “crimes against national security” — including criticizing the invasion       of Ukraine — could have their assets confiscated. Mr. Putin is expected to       sign the law, though it is        not yet clear how widely or aggressively the Kremlin plans to use it.              But the law’s quick passage — it sailed through the rubber-stamp State       Duma unanimously — is another signal that the Kremlin, having stamped out       dissent at home, is increasingly turning its attention to criticism from       abroad. Hundreds of thousands        of Russians fled after the war began, including many celebrities who can still       reach their fans through platforms like YouTube, which remains accessible       inside Russia.              Among the first to feel this increasing pressure are popular performers who       have drawn large audiences in places popular with Russian émigrés like Dubai       and Southeast Asia. In recent weeks, Russian antiwar celebrities have accused       Thailand and        Indonesia of bending to Russian pressure to cancel their shows, while an       antiwar rapper found himself banned from re-entering the United Arab Emirates,       his adopted home.              The most dramatic case unfolded after members of the rock group Bi-2,       originally from Belarus and one of Russia’s most popular bands, were       arrested in Thailand last week for an immigration violation. Their supporters       said Russian officials spent days        pushing Thailand to deport some of them to Russia, where the musicians could       have faced prosecution for criticizing the war.              By Wednesday, the rockers had escaped that fate thanks to the intervention of       Israeli and Australian diplomats, who arranged for all seven band members to       be deported to Israel, according to the group’s lawyer, who requested       anonymity for security        reasons. (Four are citizens of Israel, and one of Australia.)              The extent of the Kremlin’s efforts to get the rockers sent to Russia was       not clear, but on Tuesday, the group said in a statement that the Thai       authorities had canceled an earlier plan to deport some of them to Israel       after Russian diplomats visited        the immigration center where they were being held.              Analysts and human rights advocates consider the case a stark demonstration of       the Kremlin’s increasingly aggressive efforts to punish Russians speaking       out against Mr. Putin abroad — especially when they do so in non-Western       countries that are        interested in maintaining good relations with Moscow.              “This is a special operation,” said Dmitri Gudkov, an exiled Russian       opposition politician who is close to Bi-2, referring to what he described as       Russia’s efforts to get the band members sent to Russia. “Their task is to       grab someone big outside        the country to show that they can grab anyone, anywhere.”              The rock group’s brooding hits are part of the soundtrack of the early Putin       era, and in later years the group was rubbing shoulders with the Russian elite       at marquee events — performing, for example, at Mr. Putin’s annual       economic conference in St.        Petersburg in 2019. But by last year, Bi-2’s lead singer, Igor Bortnik, was       writing that Putin’s Russia evoked “only disgust and squeamishness.”              Russia’s Foreign Ministry denied interfering in the Bi-2 case in Thailand,       but it referred to the band members soon after their detention as “sponsors       of terrorism.” A Russian lawmaker, Andrei Lugovoi, said the country was       awaiting Bi-2’s        deportation “with open arms” and predicted: “Soon they’ll be playing       and singing on spoons and metal plates, tap dancing in front of their       cellmates.”              (Mr. Lugovoi is no stranger to Russian intervention abroad, having been       charged by Britain in 2007 with poisoning a Putin critic in London.)              Thailand, which has stuck to a largely neutral stance on the war in Ukraine       and is a prime destination for Russian tourists, said it was following       established procedure. Asked by a reporter on Wednesday about the potential       deportation to Russia of Bi-2        band members, the country’s foreign minister, Parnpree Bahiddha-Nukara, said       that if they are found to have “committed illegal acts,” then Thailand       “has to follow the process.”              The band released a statement from its concert organizer, VPI Event,       acknowledging that it had failed to obtain the right visas for the band’s       Jan. 24 show on the Thai island of Phuket. But VPI asserted that the Thai       authorities’ decision to arrest        the performers — rather than sanction the concert organizers — was       unusually harsh.              “We are making every effort to free the performers, but we are facing       unprecedented pressure at every stage,” the company’s statement said while       the musicians were still behind bars, adding that shows in Thailand by two       other Russian antiwar        performers had been canceled in recent weeks. “The campaign to cancel       concerts under pressure from the Russian consulate began in December.”              Some pro-Kremlin figures have started praising Russia’s Ministry of Foreign       Affairs for getting more aggressive in putting pressure on antiwar Russians       abroad.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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