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|    28 Oct 25 21:29:28    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.energy.automobile, alt.politics.republicans       XPost: talk.politics.guns, sac.politics       From: leroysoetoro@americans-first.com              https://restofworld.org/2025/ev-depreciation-blusmart-collapse/              The resale value of electric vehicles is collapsing worldwide, hurting       private owners and fleet operators.              The crisis became especially apparent when BluSmart, India’s pioneering       all-electric ride-hailing service, collapsed in April amid financial fraud       allegations. The Delhi-based company’s fleet of thousands of cars,       originally worth over $12,000 each, suddenly flooded the market at about       $3,000.              For Tesla owners in the U.S., their 2023 Model Ys are worth 42% less than       what they paid two years ago, while a Ford F-150 truck bought the same       year depreciated just 20%. Older EV models depreciate even faster than       newer ones.              The crisis exposes the fundamental problem that nobody really knows what       electric cars are worth in the secondhand market, as their value is       largely tied to batteries with uncertain lifespans.              “For gas cars, there’s a 100-year process behind them based on odometer       and major maintenance schedules and the expected life of combustion engine       parts,” said Andrew Garberson, head of growth and research at Recurrent, a       Seattle-based startup that evaluates the wear and tear on used EVs to       bring transparency to the secondhand market. “Electric cars have fewer       moving parts, and a lot of the value of the car is tied up in one       component — the battery.”              https://restofworld.org/charts/?utm_medium=row-charts-link              A U.K.-based study found 3-year-old EVs lost more than half of their value       compared with 39% for gas cars. Another study conducted by Boucar Diouf,       an EV researcher and professor at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, found EVs       in the U.S. can lose as much as 60% of their value over three to five       years, compared with less than half for traditional vehicles.              For fleet owners and operators — across sectors from ride-hailing to       rentals to logistics — pledging to go green, this value disaster is       threatening to derail the sustainability movement.              Florida-based car rental company Hertz, which bought 100,000 Teslas in       2021, reported a $2.9 billion loss in 2024, driven largely by plummeting       EV value, according to its February 2025 earnings call.              The company was hemorrhaging more than $530 a car monthly by late 2024,       due to high upfront costs, steep insurance premiums, and long repair and       restoration lead times, according to EV news publication InsideEVs. Hertz       dumped 30,000 EVs — Teslas bought for more than $40,000 ended up on its       website for resale at prices under $20,000. As of October 8, it listed a       Model Y for $27,000. A new Model Y cost $45,000 in the U.S. until earlier       this month, when Tesla launched a more affordable version at just under       $40,000.              “Fleets feel EV residual risk the most because they model total cost of       ownership to the decimal and have to remarket thousands of units,” Jack       Carlson, CEO of Carvai.ai, an AI-powered vehicle research and shopping       platform, told Rest of World. “Retail buyers worry too, but mostly about       battery health and charging. Fleets worry about the exit price.”              Ironically, Tesla still represents the best-case scenario, holding on to       resale value better given its years of experience and brand-building.       Chinese newcomers like BYD, Nio, and XPeng tend to have lower resale value       in comparison, Mariusz Sawula, CEO of Poland-based autoDNA, a provider of       vehicle history reports, told Rest of World.              “Premium brands consistently retain higher resale value than mass-market       brands, for both ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicles and EVs. No one       knows what entirely new Chinese marques will cost in the secondary market       — for instance, what a 5-year-old Omoda will fetch,” Sawula said,       comparing the likes of Tesla to a sub-brand of Chinese carmaker Chery.              The depreciation crisis also varies by region. While Japanese and U.S.       consumers remain skeptical, more EV-friendly markets support strong resale       prices, according to Justin Fischer, an automotive expert at vehicle-       trading company CarEdge.              “In markets where consumers are open to the idea of going electric, like       China, Norway, and Costa Rica, resale values are supported by this higher       demand,” Fischer told Rest of World.              North America’s vast highways and sprawling distances create a tough       environment for used EVs, Karl Brauer, who has reviewed thousands of       vehicles since the mid-1990s, told Rest of World. Europe, with its denser       cities and shorter commutes, offers more stability in the used EV market       compared to the U.S. or Canada. Distance is just one of several       limitations, which also include climate sensitivity and charging downtime.              “While an electric vehicle is ideal for shorter trips in urban areas with       moderate temperatures, they aren’t as effective as traditional cars for       long-distance travel or when the temperature is very high or very low,”       Brauer said. “Even electric vehicles with larger batteries and longer       ranges still require more time to replenish their energy compared to       gasoline and hybrid vehicles.”              Consumer confidence is also buoyed by favourable policies and extensive       public fast-charging networks.              “Greater demand and a more secure supply side helps stabilize resale       values there, compared to what we see here in North America,” Johnny T.       Beckett, vice president of sales at Canadian multibrand electric car       dealer EVNet, told Rest of World.              Uber walked away from buying 5,000 used BluSmart vehicles, while local       rivals like Evara Cabs wouldn’t touch them because of battery and warranty       concerns. BluSmart’s fire-sales in the cities of New Delhi and Bengaluru       showed exactly how fast EVs can become worthless.              A family car drives modest distances yearly, but Indian fleet vehicles       rack up three to four times their mileage, destroying resale value faster,       according to Anirudh Damani, managing director at Artha Venture Fund,       which backs Uber partner Everest Fleet in India.              https://restofworld.org/charts/?utm_medium=row-charts-link              “For individual consumers, the resale value is an inconvenience; for fleet       operators, it’s an existential problem,” Damani told Rest of World. “Their       vehicles are financial assets, not lifestyle products. Without a       predictable residual value, even a profitable fleet can become unviable       once replacement cycles begin.”              Battery-as-a-service models are emerging as a potential lifeline as they       give fleet operators the predictable costs and stable values they       desperately need, offering a path forward where battery risk no longer       threatens entire business models, Damani said.              An April 2025 McKinsey report shows one in five Europeans and just one in       10 U.S. consumers are considering going electric. Fleet operators, though,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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