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|    01 Sep 04 21:45:34    |
      From: yy3wcTPb@36Pp.com              On economic decentralisation and cooperatisation ...              Cooperatives              As you know, human society is one and indivisible. A human being cannot live       alone. If a person wants to drink water from a well, he or she needs a rope       and a bucket, and to tie the rope one needs a hook. For all these things, the       help of the others is        indispensable. In society human beings have to work jointly with others so       that everybody can move forward collectively.              That is, society is the collective movement of a group of individuals who have       made a unanimous decision to move towards a common goal. If human beings move       closely together in all aspects of life, except for those few aspects, which       are very personal,        the better it will be for the welfare of society. Only those things that       cannot be done collectively should be done individually. So, it is always       better for people to work together as far as possible -- the more that human       beings work together, the        better it is. If this principle is not followed the spirit of society will be       broken, adversely affecting the very existence of human beings. People have to       eat food individually -- another person cannot eat your food for you --       however a meal can be        shared collectively. Where individuality dominates human life, the       environment, the welfare of different groups and even the continued existence       of humanity may be adversely affected.              ---              Cooperatives not communism and not capitalism              In communism the slogan is, "From each according to his capacity, to each       according to his necessity," but in the cooperative system the slogan is,       "Each will get according to his or her capacity." Due to this slogan, a person       will try to do more labour.        People will put all their talent and energy into a task and production will       increase.              In communism the leaders themselves try to avoid labor. They prefer to sit in       an office rather than work hard, thus there is sluggish production. In the       cooperative system, for example, people are issued shares in farming       cooperatives based on the amount        of land that they farm under cooperative management. Similar concepts apply to       producers and consumers cooperatives and all manner of industrial enterprise.       In the communist system, this type of participation is absent, so people do       not feel oneness with        their work. They are led to believe that their needs will be supplied by the       state, so they have no incentive or interest in the system.              ---              On decentralization              At the beginning of civilization, the desire to create arts and crafts arose       in the human mind. At that time artisans used to work at home, and arts and       crafts were produced in cottage industries. Men, women, boys and girls --       all participated in the creation of arts and crafts. Later people realized       that some arts and crafts could not be produced in every village; so a few       combined villages produced certain artifacts. If artisans had not combined       together, they would have        suffered losses in the market place, and their numbers would have been       significantly reduced. So gradually human beings started to go and work in       places where production was done collectively, or the first factories. At that       time the few industries that        existed were decentralized. In this connection one thing should be remembered       -- the more that arts and crafts are decentralized, the greater the benefits       for human society.              Decentralization does NOT diminish or dissipate economic potential. Rather,       decentralization removes regional disparity because wealth is distributed       almost equally everywhere. We do not find situations where people in some       places cry out in agony due to        scarcity and starvation, while people in other places become immoral due to       excessive affluence and over abundance. Such problems only arise from economic       centralisation (whether capitalist in the hands of few corporations or       communist in the hands of        party bureaucrats of the state). In fact, industrial centralization is       detrimental to a well-knit social order.              In a decentralized economy people do not have to leave their homes to work in       an industry or work is close at hand in the collective enterprise, and       consequently they are saved from the expenditure of maintaining two       establishments or travelling long        distances. Moreover, decentralization increases the possibility of saving       labour, because people can earn their livelihood while simultaneously taking       care of their household responsibilities. This arrangement is not possible       under capitalism. Capitalism        will never support decentralization, because capitalist production exists to       maximize profits. Centralization means industry for profit, while       decentralization means industry for consumption - for the benefit of the       consumer.              PROUT's approach, which will be supported by all rational people, is       production for consumption. PROUT's maxim is, "Production for consumption, not       production for profiteering."              Capitalists want to produce commodities at the lowest costs and sell them at       the highest prices. To produce commodities cheaply, there must be efficient       transportation, cheap raw materials, cheap labor, cheap energy, adequate water       supply, etc. No matter        what form capitalism takes -- individual capitalism, group capitalism or state       capitalism -- capitalists will always prefer centralized production. All these       forms of capitalism are essentially the same. Thousands of industries have       mushroomed around        major cities due to this capitalistic mentality. Remote places such on the       other hand have been neglected. They have gone to sleep, crying in cimmerian       darkness. Perhaps only a few people have even heard of these places. How could       they? The people living        there are extremely poor. They are incapable of purchasing a woollen wrapper       for winter, what to speak of expensive woollen clothing. Take an example. In       India regional disparity is increasing. Calcutta's per capita income is twenty       percent higher than        the rest of Bengal, while the Punjab's per capita income is higher than       Haryana's and Orissa's. The people of Delhi enjoy much greater liberty and       comfort than the villagers of Purulia district. Regional disparity is       detrimental to the cause of a healthy        social order. A progressive utilisation theory is the only panacea. There is       no other solution.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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