XPost: nf.general, can.general, can.politics
From: the_gowch@yahoo.com
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:59:13 -0230, "newfysnapshot"
wrote:
[snip]
==>The whole drinking and driving laws are the
==>worst. They need to be fully overhauled. When someone can get off on
==>technicalities like the police didn't come across the driver they were
==>informed he was DD, you know there is a problem.
You are saying, apparently, that the law against
drunken driving should be rewritten so that the
normal legal protections -- from, say, profiling
or being investigated without reasonable and
probable cause -- no longer apply.
I disagree. Society is not well-served by draconian
laws or other measures that violate people's rights.
Sane folks realize that such "remedies" are worse
than the disease they're meant to cure.
IG:
==>> It's alcohol that's implicated in the vast majority of
==>> drug-related accidents, crime, child-abuse, economic
==>> harm due to lost production, property damage,
==>> destroyed lives.
==>If you actually look at the problem, the only reason it looks as though
==>alcohol is the only factor
Red herring. I never said alcohol was the
_only_ factor in anything.
==>is tfor the reason that blood tests are not done
==>on every individual that is arrested for alcohol consumption.
No one is arrested for alcohol consumption, which is
perfectly legal.
==>I know of
==>people that were arrested that were under the influence of both alcohol and
==>marijuana.
What's your point? What were they arrested for?
What brought them to police attention?
[snip]
==>You stated it yourself, " illegal mood-altering substances". Mood altering
==>being the major problem with these drugs.
"Problem?" What do you mean, "problem?"
The fact that they alter moods is the reason people
indulge in them. What the fuck are you talking
about?
==>Not every person has a "fun, jolly
==>high".
Are you submitting that brilliant observation as
a rationale for continuing the prohibition of
*some* mood-altering substances, while
permitting unrestrained use of far-more-harmful
ones?
[snip]
==>You need to go back to the books or search the internet and look at the
==>effects of heroin on the human body.
No, I don't.
==>Not all heroin addicts take it like the
==>movies.
I have no idea what this means, and I suspect you
don't either.
IG:
==>> It's the fact that some drugs are banned that makes
==>> them so expensive that black markets have grown up to
==>> supply users, and the vast profits to be made from
==>> such trade that sparks the turf wars, gang killings
==>> and collateral damage associated with them, as
==>> well as corruption of public officials, the
==>> overcrowding in our prisons, etc., etc.
==>The only reason it's like this, has to do with every one of the "druggies"
==>going to the corner or the dealers for a hit, joint, line, or what ever else
==>you want to call it.
I have no idea what this means, and I suspect you
don't either. Where do you expect users to go to
purchase their mood-altering-substance of choice?
IG:
==>> If all the prohibitions were removed today and
==>> (almost) all drugs made available at the local
==>> pharmacy, the prices would drop dramatically,
==>> the criminal gangs that now thrive by supplying
==>> them would vanish, the turf wars would end and
==>> bullets would stop flying around suburban Toronto
==>> neighbourhoods.
==>If you actually believe that statement, then you need help. Half the problem
==>in society is that children are now allowed to run free without supervision.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Very damn few
children are "allowed to run free without
supervision." The vast majority of kids are
indeed supervised, through most of their
childhood, by their parents or their school
teachers and staff.
I daresay that if you truly think a major problem
in our society is that it's overrun by out-of-control
children, then it's you, not me, who needs the help.
In your case, it would be therapy to cure rampant
paranoia and delusionary beliefs.
==>These children are getting into vandalism for fun,
Some do. Most don't.
==> they start to smoke drugs
==>at younger and younger ages
Better they smoke weed than drink beer.
==>and then they start breaking and entering.
Again, if you believe that the smoking of marijuana
somehow leads kids to commit breaking and entering
-- or any other crime -- you are rat-crazy and need
serious help.
==> This
==>would not happen if the drugs were not there.
Yep . . . rat-crazy.
==> Kids now find it fun to know
==>the dealers as friends
You really are astonishingly ignorant about the
whole drug thing, aren't you?
The "dealers" ARE their friends. In fact, they're
generally friends before they become purveyors of
mood-altering substances.
We're not talking "professional" movie-style drug
dealers here. We're talking about normal, average
kids who just happen to have a connection for
grass (often via an older sibling or neighbourhood
friend) and earn themslelves free smoke by supplying
their school chums. The image of the shady,
professional drug pusher hanging around schoolyards
trying to get kids "hooked" on drugs is a myth right
out of Reefer Madness, not reality.
==>and parents are not teaching their kids about the
==>problems and health issues of using these substances.
How the hell do you know this?
==>Bullets are going to
==>fly as long as guns are on the street.
Guns don't kill people. Gangstas fighting for
territory and seeking revenge kill people.
IG:
==>> Only three popular drugs are inherently dangerous
==>> to those who use them -- methamphetamine and
==>> PCP -- both of which are highly deleterious to the
==>> brain and can, in fact, make people crazy -- and, of
==>> course, alcohol.
==>>
==>> This cannot be said of cannabis, cocaine, heroin or
==>> any of the "psychedelics" such as LSD, mescaline,
==>> psilocybin ("magic mushrooms") or ecstasy. Use of
==>> these does not make people insane, or turn to crime
==>> or kill their families.
==>The last two statements are obserd.
"Obserd?"
Man, you need to go back to school. Badly.
[snip]
==>if you think that legal drugs can be kept from
==>kids you are in your own little world.
I never said so.
==>Society can't keep tobacco from them
==>and you think that the other drugs will be? HA. They have to be kept out of
==>our country.
Not only can mood-altering substances not be
"kept out of our country," in many cases they are
_produced_ in our country.
You don't know shit, do you?
IG:
==>> The fact that the prohibitions have created an
==>> insuppressible underground economy maintained
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