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   XPost: or.politics   
   From: tedm@toybox.placo.com   
      
   "Bo Raxo"  wrote in message   
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   > "Paul J. Berg"  wrote in message   
   > news:2972-4699381B-774@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net...   
   > > `   
   > > School principal Aaron Miller is a drug-addict and is no example for the   
   > > children of Vernonia, Oregon or anywhere else.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Marijuana is not addictive, and there is no evidence that he is even a   
   > habitual user, much less an addict.   
   >   
      
   Your right, he isn't a drug addict.   
      
   But, he IS a drug ABUSER.   
      
   I used to smoke pot myself and am very aware of it's effects.  Anybody   
   that smokes weed knows that it's illegal.  And, is the smoker is USING pot,   
   the ARE NOT going to be smoking it in public, much less a park that   
   is miles from home.   
      
   You have a school principal here who is risking his job and possibly his   
   remaining career so he can smoke some grass in a public park.  In short,   
   the guy cannot even wait an hour to get home and have a toke.   
      
   For all the defenders out there, how exactly was this guy supposed   
   to get home from this park he was toking out in?  Walk home?  I   
   very much doubt it.  No, he was just going to toke out and then   
   get in his car and drive home.  As in, under the influence.   
      
   > > This is the example that lets children think that it is O.K. to do   
   > > drugs.   
   > >   
   >   
   > No, your attitude is an example of the oversimplification that makes   
   > children not believe adults when they talk about drugs. Lumping together   
   all   
   > drugs, from marijuana to crack, under the same heading, calling someone a   
   > drug addict when they are using a substance that isn't even addictive,   
   it's   
   > these kind of stupid mistakes that explain why adults have little   
   > credibility when they try to demonize all drugs with kids.   
   >   
      
   Teenagers today know the score on pot perfectly well.  They are intelligent   
   enough to know that a teacher is pretty much required by school policy   
   to say that recreational drug use is bad.   
      
   What kids today need is positive examples of role models.  I would not call   
   an adult who takes as stupid a risk as this guy did any kind of positive   
   role   
   model.  To me, him smoking pot ina public park is as stupid as riding a   
   motorcycle without a helmet.   
      
   > > If  Mr. Miller was the school's janitor would he still have his job?   
   >   
   > If he was the school's janitor, would the school board have even found out   
   > about the citation?  Would it have made the news?   
   >   
      
   Irrelevant, schools are not holding up janitors as role models.   
      
   > > perhaps. But he is in such a significant position that it doesn't matter   
   > > how nice he is, he has an addiction and the children may be a risk.   
   > >   
   >   
   > How are children at risk if he smokes pot on the weekend?  A significant   
   > percentage of those teenagers - and their parents - have smoked marijuana,   
   > if they are in any way representative of statistical averages.   
   >   
      
   If he smoks pot on the weekend in the privacy of his home then fine, they   
   are certainly not at risk.  If he does so in a public place, gets high, then   
   drives home then he's putting a lot of people at risk.   
      
   > > Watching Dr. Cox, the Vernonia School Superintendent, on the news, he   
   > > knows his decision to keep Mr. Miller is wrong.   
   > >   
   > > My question would be, if Principal Miller is sneaking around doing   
   > > drugs, what else does he think he can get away with.   
   > >   
   >   
   > He was in a public park - that's hardly sneaking.  If he was "sneaking   
   > around" he wouldn't have been caught.  Duh.   
   >   
   > As for the "what else does he think he can get away with", that's the   
   > silliest slippery slope argument I've seen here in months.   
   >   
   > > It's a fact that going easy on marijuana possession may lead to other   
   > > behavior which is unacceptable.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Really?  Then give us a cite proving it.   
   >   
   > > Aaron Miller is in a position of authority over children, and should be   
   > > held to a high standard of setting a proper example for the youth under   
   > > his care.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Quite true.  The question is what that standard is.  If he got a DUI,   
   would   
   > you fire him?  That's a more serious crime, a misdemeanor, as compared to   
   > the infraction he committed.   
      
   If he was convicted of a DUI I would fire him.  However you need to be   
   very careful what your saying.  Most people that get DUI's do NOT get   
   convicted - they go into a diversion program and in exchange for successful   
   completion the DUI charges are dropped.  Thus, in the eyes of the law   
   they never had a DUI and if you fire them you had no cause and will   
   likely have a wrongful dismissal suit.   
      
   > What about a speeding ticket - that's an   
   > infraction on par with the majijuana citation.   
      
   No it isn't.  Possession of marijuana is a crime.  USe of marijuana is also   
   a   
   crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.   
      
   A speeding ticket, depending on the ticket, is not a terrible lapse of   
   judgement.  For example if it's for going 70 in a 65 zone   
      
   >  What about shoplifting -   
   > should that get him fired?   
   >   
      
   yes.  If convicted.   
      
   Ted   
      
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