From: wernerhetzner@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 2:00:02 PM UTC-4, Jos Boersema wrote:   
   > On 2018-09-06, New York Libertarians  wrote:   
   > Jos wrote:   
   > >> “Class society like in the feudal system is the ultimate goal /    
   > >> end-result of the Capitalist system, it is the objective of organized    
   > >> crime and the immoral Plutocracy / Oligarchy. ”   
   > >   
   > > I don’t know how you came up with this silliness other than your   
   > > imagination.   
   >    
   > In Capitalism, all wealth and power will eventualy centralize, because   
   > everything is loose, everything can be traded including the soil itself,   
   > and there are no meaningful limits on: private wealth, debt, and soil   
   > ownership. Wealth and power are selfreenforcing, and poverty is also   
   > self reenforcing. The logic of the system is total centralization of   
   > wealth and power, which has indeed occured, and has occured in the past.   
   > When it has occured, the system has become a class society.   
   >    
      
   How is socialism NOT a 'class society'? What society in history did NOT form   
   classes?     
      
   > >              Want to see feudalism? Go to Cuba or NKorea or Venezuela.   
   >    
   > Besides the point, and apparently you chose to forget that my position   
   > on Communism is that it is a fast forward to the end-stage of   
   > totalitarian Capitalism, and that Communism is a form of Capitalism,   
   > namely the control of society through the control of the Capital goods.   
   >    
   > In order to deal with the problem of all power centralizing:   
   > - Soil needs to be distributed to all as a right.   
   > - There must be limits of wealth, debt, corporation size.   
   > - For profit finance stimulates centralization of wealth as well, it   
   >   needs to be stopped.   
   > - It will be good to foster a society of adult people, at least some of   
   >   whom can talk to each other as equals and co-operate in a co-operative   
   >   business environment (free floating in the markets that is).   
   >    
   > --     
      
   The US Constitution was written to limit power. Human nature found ways to   
   overcome those limits. You can not overcome human nature. Politics =   
   Exploitation   
    http://www.endit.info/Reality.shtml   
      
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