XPost: uk.politics.misc   
   From: abelard3@abelard.org   
      
   On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 21:56:39 +0100, Incubus    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 06/10/2018 00:24, Ördög wrote:   
   >> It was written by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein:   
   >>   
   >>> Joe  wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 13:42:39 -0400 Obadiah Brookfield   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Well, has it?   
   >>>>> No, because socialism (a classless society based on worker's   
   >>>>> democratic control of the industries) has never been tried   
   >>>>> before.   
   >>>   
   >>>> It was offered to some UK industries, until it became obvious   
   >>>> that what we were actually getting was trades union leaders'   
   >>>> control of them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> See the new boss...   
   >>>   
   >>> It always amuses me to see people slag off 'the unions', because   
   >>> unless you're very, _very_ wealthy, or the boss of a successful   
   >>> company, then the only reason you're not working 364 days a year   
   >>> and earning 50 p an hour is because of the fucking unions.   
   >>   
   >> Well said! Union bashing has become an upper-class neo-liberal sport   
   >> these days.   
   >   
   >That is likely because of the behaviour of certain unions such as the RMT.   
   >   
   >> Forget the socio-economic facts!   
   >   
   >That has certainly happened in this thread.  There are particular   
   >industries that have never had unions and have always paid well in order   
   >to attract those with the best skills.  If you are unskilled then   
   >perhaps you should thank your union.  The rest of us can thank the   
   >market forces that make our skills more valuable to employers.   
      
   the unions inflate the wages of a few to the   
      cost of the many...especially the real poor   
      
   for the few, not the many, as agent cob would say were he honest   
      
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