XPost: uk.politics.misc   
   From: incubus9536612@gmail.com   
      
   On 06/10/2018 22:48, abelard wrote:   
   > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 21:56:39 +0100, Incubus    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 06/10/2018 00:24, Ördög wrote:   
   >>> It was written by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Joe  wrote:   
   >>>>> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 13:42:39 -0400 Obadiah Brookfield   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Well, has it?   
   >>>>>> No, because socialism (a classless society based on worker's   
   >>>>>> democratic control of the industries) has never been tried   
   >>>>>> before.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It was offered to some UK industries, until it became obvious   
   >>>>> that what we were actually getting was trades union leaders'   
   >>>>> control of them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> See the new boss...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It always amuses me to see people slag off 'the unions', because   
   >>>> unless you're very, _very_ wealthy, or the boss of a successful   
   >>>> company, then the only reason you're not working 364 days a year   
   >>>> and earning 50 p an hour is because of the fucking unions.   
   >>>   
   >>> Well said! Union bashing has become an upper-class neo-liberal sport   
   >>> these days.   
   >>   
   >> That is likely because of the behaviour of certain unions such as the RMT.   
   >>   
   >>> Forget the socio-economic facts!   
   >>   
   >> That has certainly happened in this thread.  There are particular   
   >> industries that have never had unions and have always paid well in order   
   >> to attract those with the best skills.  If you are unskilled then   
   >> perhaps you should thank your union.  The rest of us can thank the   
   >> market forces that make our skills more valuable to employers.   
   >   
   > the unions inflate the wages of a few to the   
   >     cost of the many...especially the real poor   
   >   
   > for the few, not the many, as agent cob would say were he honest   
      
   Absolutely.  There are a number of areas in which the unions have acted   
   in a manner that goes against the interests of the workforce.   
      
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