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|    Mr. Unagi to All    |
|    Why Are Red States Notorious Socialist B    |
|    24 Nov 18 18:48:00    |
      XPost: alt.journalism, alt.news-media, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh       XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.economics, rec.arts.tv       From: catoni88@sympatico.cat              GunHuggers Are Despicable Socialist Parasites              Blue State, Red Face: Guess Who Benefits More From Your Taxes?                     Picking up on yesterday's theme, the fiscal cliff, let's look       at the wider context to the argument between left and right       over taxes and spending cuts.       Michael Moran Michael Moran              Michael Moran is an author and geopolitical analyst.              There are serious economists who study the difference between       what our states pay in taxes and how much they get in return       from the U.S. government. These people generally don’t draw       political, let along moral, judgments from these numbers.              I’m under no such constraint. The numbers, for decades now,       have been quite clear: With some exceptions, what we regard as       red states are sent a whole lot more of your hard-earned tax       dollars than the traditional blue states. In effect,       supposedly indolent, “tax and spend” liberals actually       subsidize the individualistic, pure, and hard-working       lifestyle of our conservative countrymen.              Don’t believe me? Well, there’s plenty of room for quibbling       about what constitutes a tax payment vs. a federal benefit.       Let’s hash that out below in the comments section. But for       simplicity's sake (and to account for the fact that it’s hard       to label some states as purely red or blue, I’ve taken the       most recent Electoral College Map from RealClearPolitics—which       shows how these states would likely vote if the presidential       election were today—and cross-referenced it with numbers from       one of those places peopled by serious economists: the       nonpartisan Tax Foundation.*       ElectoralOct23              The results will stun many people, though not me: I’ve been       telling my Tea Party relatives this for years. Here’s a list       of the top 10 states that got the most back in terms of       federal benefits, followed by the bottom 10. I’ve added the       reasons why, when they’re obvious, in the space to the right.              To save space below, “pension benefits” include both Medicare       and Social Security; “anti-poverty aid” includes Head Start,       Low Income Home Energy Assistance, Food Stamp and nutrition       programs for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), and several       school-lunch-style benefits.              Top Ten (Source: Tax Foundation):              1. New Mexico Indian reservations, military       bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement       programs              2. Mississippi Farm subsidies, military       spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.              3. Alaska Per capita No 1 recipient       of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork       projects.              4. Louisiana Disaster relief, farm       subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.              5. W. Virginia Farm subsidies, anti-       poverty and nutrition aid.              6. N. Dakota Farm subsidies, energy       subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian       reservations.              7. Alabama Retirement programs, anti-       poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending,       farm subsidies.              8. S. Dakota Retirement programs,       nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian       reservations.              9. Virginia Civil service pensions,       military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty       aid.              10. Kentucky Retirement programs,       nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.              Now consider the bottom 10, i.e., the ones that give more to       the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From       1 to 10, they are:              New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota,       Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.              Anything strange about that list? Yes, they are all blue       states (or the deepest of purple).              Adding to this fallacy are the assumptions surrounding Mitt       Romney’s now infamous comments about the indolent “47 percent”       of Americans who regard themselves as victims and therefore       pay no taxes. As the American Conservative magazine (no less)       pointed out recently, nine of those 10 states are in the red-       as-ruby Old Confederacy.*       non-payers-by-state              Put another way, again by the American Conservative, “On the       other hand, eight of the ten states with the highest non-       payment rates are solidly Republican. The exceptions are New       Mexico and Florida.”              Is your mouth agape?              Now, one more cross-reference: these facts compared with the       know-nothing rhetoric of the Tea Party. There are only two       ways to parse that result: one is ignorance—which we should be       willing to forgive in anyone as long as they revise their       views when faced with reality.              And the second? Selfish hypocrisy. How else can you explain       the fact that the denizens of the most welfare dependent       states in the country—dare we say, those who enjoy the most       benefits from socialism—profess to abhor welfare?              This is a far cry from what most people think. My sense is       that, if you asked the average American, they would assume       that states benefiting most from federal spending are exactly       the opposite—you know, those populated with Ronald Reagan’s       “welfare queens” and lazy unionized auto workers.              I’ll be the first to admit this isn’t a black-and-white       exercise. Plenty of questions need to be settled before clear       judgments can be made. For instance, does an Army base and the       federal money that goes into keeping it running and paying its       troops count as a benefit? (It does in my book.) What about a       federal prison? (Yeah, jobs and the tax revenues they generate       should count there, too.) A private university that is       showered with federal research dollars? (Again, yes, those       funds count, too.)              But those questions get harder.              Agricultural subsidies? How do we count them—and do we       subtract the tax revenues generated by the jobs the farm       creates or the export earnings it provides?              And what about defense contractors? Connecticut, Washington       state, and California are chock full of weapons merchants.       They provide jobs, export income, and many other benefits.       Should we count as a federal inflow to those states the money       spent, say, on Sikorsky aircraft contracts in Connecticut? And       how do we factor in the taxes those companies paid (assuming,       unlike nearby General Electric, they actually paid taxes)?              And I admit, maybe we should dock Connecticut and New Jersey       for the remaining outstanding balance of the TARP program?                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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