From: wernerhetzner@gmail.com   
      
   Success is all around. Whenever someone takes good care of offspring you   
   observe libertarian society. Whenever someone makes an effort to improve his   
   life you see a libertarian in action. Whenever you see a business you   
   libertarians at work. A ‘   
   collective’ does nothing because a collective doesn’t think or do or care.   
   Individuals do. Society is comprised of people working cooperatively for their   
   own interest with other people who do the same.    
      
   Take you for example. Are you a collective? Or do you seek to influence other   
   individuals? How are you different from any other social interaction?   
   Capitalists seek to influence. I seek to influence. Union leaders seek to   
   influence. How do we attempt to    
   influence others? By appealing to their interests. There are many interests   
   and often they have little in common.    
      
   Individual effort and self interest motivate action. Collectives do nothing.   
   Collectivists only react to what they want to follow. Socialist societies   
   minimize individuals, so they minimize new ideas and innovation. Socialist   
   societies demand obedience    
   and sacrifice of individuals for the group. Individuals tend to avoid   
   self-sacrifice, obedience and risk. This is especially so if the sacrifice and   
   risk is involuntary. Israel’s Kibbuz collectives lost vigor as well.   
   Christian monastery life lasted    
   for a long time but hardly exists anymore.    
      
   As for environmental caring, it was started not by a collective but by   
   individuals like everything else in societies.    
   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_movement   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)