From: wernerhetzner@gmail.com   
      
   As I understand things, we both want to avoid violence or at least miniseries   
   violence. We both recognize the value of ‘limiting’ power over others with   
   small political jurisdictions. I suspect our differences arise because you   
   assume the group is    
   more important than the individuals. I believe the opposite. In my ideal world   
   individuals interact voluntarily without compulsion. Someone can voluntarily   
   give something to others but not be forced to do so. You, on the other hand,   
   demand individual    
   self sacrifice for your ‘society’. In my world anybody can act in any way   
   they choose as long as no force or fraud is used against someone else.   
   Furthermore, any sacrifice an individual makes is voluntary. There is no   
   ‘duty’ to the State, the    
   employer or anyone unless you consent to it. Socialists have a different   
   perspective. I don’t think there is a Public Interest because there is no   
   Public. There are only people. They have competing interests. Politics is an   
   exploitation tool.    
   Government is politics.    
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