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|    29 Apr 19 21:16:26    |
      From: abaddon@purgatory.org.invalid              Here is an oldie but goodie article:              *Why do we need the rich?*       /by Dan Russell       explains how Marxists answer the common objection to taxing the rich./              "THE RICH put their hard-earned wealth to use for the rest of us by       making investments and creating jobs--this is perhaps the most common       defense raised by conservatives against the idea of taxing the wealthy,       let alone the socialist case that workers should run society themselves,       without capitalists.              But is it "their" money in the first place? And do we really need the       rich for the economy to operate?       Before answering these questions--in the negative, on both counts--I       think it's important to understand what we mean by "rich."              Earlier this year, hapless Republican National Committee Chair Michael       Steele had the nerve to say that a million dollar salary isn't a lot of       money. After taxes, of course, these folks will only be taking home       $600,000 and some change each year. I wonder how they manage?       The reality is that only a fraction of 1 percent of the population       "makes" that much money. For Marxists, however, how much someone makes is       less important than how they make it.              I work in a high-tech industry with highly skilled, experienced workers       who may make far more than many small business owners. However, these       workers don't own the office they work in, nor the factory that will turn       their designs into an end product. They have much more in common with the       lower-paid workers who manufacture, assemble, package, ship, repair and       service the products they design, rather than the owners who profit at       every step of the way.              These owners of large companies or corporate executives can earn millions       upon millions of dollars simply because they are in a position to buy the       labor of all these workers--by offering to pay them wages. Most workers       aren't forced into a particular job, but for the majority that isn't in a       position to employ or provide for themselves, the alternative is       starvation.       Even those workers lucky enough to make a comfortable living from their       wages are only employed because their labor, together with other workers,       ultimately produces returns--or profits--for the capitalists. So       "creating" jobs is hardly a charitable act.       This is the most basic reason that the property and money of capitalists       isn't really "theirs." It was produced by workers in the first place.              THE CAPITALIST class earns profits because it owns and controls what Karl       Marx called the means of production--from the factories, offices and       stores, to the machines and technology, to the land and raw materials.       The system of private property is the legal means for the tiny minority       to ensure that it controls what is produced using the means of       production, not the majority that does the work.              More than being in a position to steal a portion of the workers' labor       through profits, the capitalists are also able to dictate how and what is       produced.       Capitalist competition tends to concentrate the means of production in       fewer and fewer hands, too--as the acquisition of failed automakers and       banks by their competitors during the current crisis demonstrates.       Capitalists also use their economic power to bend governments to their       will and ensure favorable legislation--they exercise far more political       power than workers, flouting the democratic principle of "one person, one       vote."              Then there are the even more insidious ways that capitalist society       constrains and cripples the horizons and potential of working-class       people, constantly reinforcing the notion that owner and worker, rich and       poor, are necessary and timeless relationships.       We're told that all this is more than fair--that actually, workers ought       to be grateful that the capitalists create jobs for them. Which is why we       can't tax these parasites--that would keep them from creating jobs or       making the investments that produce the technologies which benefit       everyone.              Again, capitalists only create jobs when it is profitable for them to do       so. They are quick to destroy or relocate jobs and leave workers' lives       in shambles in their scramble to pay the lowest possible wages and       consequently make higher profits.       Alternatively, governments faced with pressure from below can "create"       jobs, such as with the New Deal policies during the Great Depression of       the 1930s. Similarly, it was not the private sector, but government       programs and institutions, that were responsible for many of the most       important technological advances of the 20th century--the polio vaccine,       microprocessors and the Internet, to name a few.              Workers are collectively every bit as capable of making the decisions       that capitalists make about society and the economy, but they are       prevented from doing this by their subordinate position. A socialist       society would resolve that contradiction. Workers would democratically       plan and control production, providing everyone with meaningful work in       accordance with what's needed to meet the needs of all.       The private ownership of the means of production--the bedrock of       capitalist society--is the real reason that we don't have enough jobs,       not high taxes. Capitalists overwork part of the population and leave the       rest chronically underemployed as a constant threat to those "lucky"       enough to have a job.              A socialist society would instead allocate work and produce goods on the       basis of what society needs. Food would be produced to feed all, homes to       house all, education to make sure that everyone is able to reach their       greatest potential and play a meaningful role in their own lives and       society.       In a world where a small fraction of the population remains in control of       the economy, the vast majority will always have to suffer and fight for       even basic things. But there is an alternative. When workers fight       collectively and strike for a larger piece of the pie--whether for higher       wages or higher taxes on the rich to pay for social or employment       programs--they demonstrate that their labor is what drives the economy,       and they begin to march down a path toward a different society."              ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~              Suck it up Google Groups sociopatic capitalist conservatice lie-bertarian       propaganda wanker!                     --       Ördög, without any apologies              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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