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   Annona Muricata to All   
   Re: OT lie-bertarian whinge cover story:   
   11 Aug 19 00:35:08   
   
   From: Magnoliale@Annonaceae.Annona.biz.invalid   
      
   > minimum-wage-now-officially-disaster   
      
   YAWN!   
   Why don't you actually tell the readers of this recurrent capitalist lie-   
   bertarian social Darwinist crap complaint what you really think?   
      
   C'me on! They might not like what you have to say, but at least you'd be   
   honest just once in your greedy bastard ego maniac miserable life!   
      
   *Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians and Gun People, Just Admit What   
   You Really Believe.*   
   *Dump The Cover Arguments And Say It Like It Is*   
   /DavidGrace   
   Nov 20, 2017/   
      
   "*Cover Reasons Vs. Real Reasons*   
      
   There’s a big difference between a reason that people give for doing   
   something and the real reason they have for doing it.   
   People always have a reason for wanting to do something, but often they   
   only give you a cover reason, camouflage for the real reason because they   
   don’t want to say their real reason out loud.   
      
   For example: “I subscribe Playboy for the great articles,” is an oldie   
   but a goodie.   
      
   What’s the difference between a cover reason and the real reason?   
   If you take away all the cover reasons and leave only the real reason,   
   they would still want to do it, but if you leave all the cover reasons   
   and take away the real reason, they would no longer want to do it.   
   If you took away the great articles and left the naked women the men   
   still would have subscribed to Playboy.   
   If you took away the naked women and left the great articles, bingo,   
   subscriptions cancelled at warp speed.   
      
   _Another Example_   
      
   Your teenage daughter asks if she can go to a late screening of an old   
   movie on a school night. She tells you:   
      
       The movie ties into a paper she’s writing for school (Cover Reason).   
       It’s a classic movie that’s won numerous awards (Cover Reason).   
       One of the actors is now a big star who’s active in ending starvation   
   in Africa (Cover Reason).   
      
   Upon some questioning she admits that, oh, yes, a certain boy she likes   
   will be there (Real Reason).   
      
   _People Think That Giving A Cover Reason Means They’re Not Lying_   
      
   It’s common that people don’t want to admit the real reasons for what   
   they say and do. They think that by giving cover reasons they can pretend   
   that, technically, they’re telling the truth when, actually, they’re not.   
   They’re like Bill Clinton defining sex as only meaning intercourse so   
   that he can claim he told the truth when he said that he didn’t have sex   
   with Monica Lewinsky.   
      
   _Lawyers call it “A scheme fitted to deceive.”_   
      
   When I hear people spouting all these cover reasons and never owning up   
   to the real reasons I want to shout, “Hey, just say it. If that’s what   
   you believe, then that’s what you believe. Admit it. Stand up for it.”   
   I’m talking to you, Gun People, Liberals, Conservatives and Libertarians   
      
   *Gun People*   
      
   Why do Gun People want anyone to be able to go to a gun show and buy an   
   AR-15 with a 50 shot magazine without a background check?   
      
       Reverence for the Constitution — Cover Reason.   
       Need it for self-defense against killers, rapists, and other   
         criminals — Cover Reason   
       Great hunting rifle — BIG Cover Reason   
      
   >Real Reason: We need to be able to arm ourselves with military-style   
   weapons with big magazines that can be fired in full-auto or close to   
   full-auto mode so that when the liberals, immigrants, and black people   
   take over the government and start passing laws that take away our   
   freedoms we will be able to rise up in an armed revolution against the   
   government.   
      
   >Real Reason: We need to be able to arm ourselves with military-style   
   weapons with big magazines that can be fired in full-auto or close to   
   full-auto mode so that when our one-worlder government allows U.N. troops   
   to stream across the border to take over the country we will be able to   
   mount an armed revolution against the government.   
      
   >Real Reason: We need to be able to arm ourselves with military-style   
   weapons with big magazines that can be fired in full-auto or close to   
   full-auto mode so that when the Russians (or maybe the Chinese) stage a   
   sneak attack and invade the country like the commies did in Red Dawn, we   
   will be able to mount a counter-attack and repel the invaders.   
      
   Gun People, you know those are the real reasons you want anyone to be   
   able to anonymously buy AK-47s and AR-15s with big magazines, so just   
   admit it.   
   If you think those are good reasons then stand up for your beliefs and   
   say so.   
      
   *Liberals*   
      
   Why do some liberals want to enact a Guaranteed Minimum Income?   
       To unleash the vast, untapped, creative potential of most poor people   
      
   — Cover Reason.   
       Because this extra money will make it easier for poor people to turn   
          down food-stamp-wage jobs — Cover Reason   
       To stimulate the economy by putting more money in the hands of   
          consumers — Cover Reason.   
      
   > Real Reason: To fund a massive transfer of wealth from the top 20% to   
   the bottom 40%.   
   You think it’s wrong for the top 20% to have more money than the entire   
   bottom 80%. I get it. But if you want to enact a program that will even   
   out the wealth, then just say that.   
      
   *Conservatives*   
      
   Why do many/most conservatives oppose a living-wage minimum wage?   
       Because they believe raising the minimum wage will cause a big   
          increase unemployment   
      
   — Cover reason.   
       Because they believe raising the minimum wage will cause a big spike   
          in inflation — Cover reason.   
      
   >Real Reason: Because they believe that low-skilled people shouldn’t be   
         paid that much money.   
      
   You think that the poor skills and low training and intelligence of the   
   people on the bottom mean they’re not worth being paid enough money to   
   live on leastwise enough to live on and also purchase health insurance.   
   You think it’s just not right to pay them that much, that their low level   
   of intelligence and skill doesn’t entitle them to be paid health   
   insurance and a living wage, that barely subsistence wages are all   
   they’re worth.   
   OK, I get it.   
   Just admit it.   
      
   *Libertarians*   
      
   Why do libertarians oppose consumer protection laws?   
       Because the market will automatically force manufacturers to make   
         safe, good products without the need for any regulations   
      
   — Cover reason.   
       Because consumers can voluntarily avoid bad or unsafe products on   
          their own without any consumer-protection laws being needed   
          — Cover reason   
      
   >Real Reason: Because the fundamental rule in the catechism of the   
   libertarian’s political religion is that people should be free to do   
   whatever they want to do without there being any rules. The truth is that   
      
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