From: bowman@montana.com   
      
   On 11/09/2019 08:40 AM, New York Libertarians wrote:   
   > On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 6:15:06 AM UTC-5, The greatest truth is   
   honesty wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:55:24 -0700, rbowman wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 11/06/2019 04:27 AM, Jos Boersema wrote:   
   >>>> Land underpins a free market economy, and it is an insurance policy for   
   >>>> people who become unemployed. It allows those who want to, to start a   
   >>>> business very easily, and it also challenges those to do that even if   
   >>>> they do not want to, but they must because they must eat and they can   
   >>>> otherwise not find a serf position that pays them enough. Getting a job   
   >>>> is in the end a privilege, you cannot rely on it.   
   >>>   
   >>> I have never owned land and had no problem starting a business. In fact   
   >>> being linked to a specific geographical point would have been   
   >>> detrimental. Some of us a hunter-gatherers, so to speak, some are   
   >>> farmers. Historically, the concept of owning a particular chunk of the   
   >>> earth lead to hierarchical social structures and serfdom.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Hunting tribes consider that some areas belong to them.   
   >   
   >   
   > “Historically, the concept of owning a particular chunk of the   
   > earth lead to hierarchical social structures and serfdom.”   
   >   
   > The USSR was but one example where NOT owning land led to hierarchical   
   social structures and serfdom. Besides, I can’t think of an example of a   
   society without a social structure. it seems to me ‘serfdom’ is   
   involuntary by definition. It requires    
   imposition which requires force and power, not land.   
   >   
      
   What is the genesis of force and power? What makes some pigs more equal?   
   When does the transition from following a war chief proven in battle or   
   supporting a village elder with the wisdom of years to coercion, however   
   well masked, come?   
      
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