From: wernerhetzner@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 2:13:25 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:   
   > On 11/09/2019 08:40 AM, New York Libertarians wrote:   
   > > On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 6:15:06 AM UTC-5, The greatest truth is   
   honesty wrote:   
   > >> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:55:24 -0700, rbowman wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On 11/06/2019 04:27 AM, Jos Boersema wrote:   
   > >>>> Land underpins a free market economy, and it is an insurance policy for   
   > >>>> people who become unemployed. It allows those who want to, to start a   
   > >>>> business very easily, and it also challenges those to do that even if   
   > >>>> they do not want to, but they must because they must eat and they can   
   > >>>> otherwise not find a serf position that pays them enough. Getting a job   
   > >>>> is in the end a privilege, you cannot rely on it.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> I have never owned land and had no problem starting a business. In fact   
   > >>> being linked to a specific geographical point would have been   
   > >>> detrimental. Some of us a hunter-gatherers, so to speak, some are   
   > >>> farmers. Historically, the concept of owning a particular chunk of the   
   > >>> earth lead to hierarchical social structures and serfdom.   
   > >>>   
   > >>   
   > >> Hunting tribes consider that some areas belong to them.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > “Historically, the concept of owning a particular chunk of the   
   > > earth lead to hierarchical social structures and serfdom.”   
   > >   
   > > The USSR was but one example where NOT owning land led to hierarchical   
   social structures and serfdom. Besides, I can’t think of an example of a   
   society without a social structure. it seems to me ‘serfdom’ is   
   involuntary by definition. It    
   requires imposition which requires force and power, not land.   
   > >   
   >    
   > What is the genesis of force and power?   
      
   Self interest.   
      
      
    What makes some pigs more equal?    
      
   There are many variables, abilities and qualities. The point is 'equality' is   
   a un-achievable goal.   
      
      
      
   > When does the transition from following a war chief proven in battle or    
   > supporting a village elder with the wisdom of years to coercion, however    
   > well masked, come?   
      
   When the cost of following is perceived to outweigh the benefits.    
      
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