From: bowman@montana.com   
      
   On 12/06/2019 08:20 AM, Jos Boersema wrote:   
   > When the great Rebellion happened in 1566, it was one section of Jesus   
   > idolators (Protestants) versus another section (Catholics), both laying   
   > claim to being the true and only ones. You could say that they where   
   > eating themselves, but I think it is rather a case that it was about   
   > something else. Ah, it was about money of course - because isn't it always.   
   > It started about money and prestige, anyway. The heads of the various   
   > groups want power for themselves.   
      
   Sounds like the supper table discussion when I was a kid. My mother was   
   Dutch Reformed, my father Catholic. Fortunately neither took religion   
   all that seriously.   
      
      
   > In case you answer with the bizarre American bottom of the barrel   
   > propaganda that Hitler was left because they used 'socialism' in   
   > their name for propaganda reasons ("Oh, the things we have to deal with in   
   > the European Nations with access to the American propaganda sphere…".)   
   > Hitler was as absolutely anti-social[ist] as you can get.   
      
   The Strassers tried. Unfortunately taking power requires money. There   
   were aspects of the Reich like the KdF that would be seen as socialistic   
   by the US 'conservatives'. Since there haven't been many socialists in   
   the US for 100 years or so they are unfamiliar with the real thing. Even   
   Sanders misidentifies himself as a democratic socialist.   
      
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