From: joshb@xs4all.nl
On 2020-01-04, New York Libertarians wrote:
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 5:41:38 AM UTC-5, Jos Boersema wrote:
>> On 2020-01-02, New York Libertarians wrote:
>> > On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 8:00:39 AM UTC-5, Jos Boersema wrote:
>> >> This whole idea is a bit 'out there'. I ....
>> At some point, the truth is the truth, and you cannot maintain a voting
>> Republic with people who are delusional, and who build their life around
>> all pervasive lies such as Jesus.
>
> What makes you think you can’t build a voting republic with delusional
> people?
This is precisely the point of forbidding idolatry. These people are
delusional, and on top of that they tend to be in favor of a Monarchy.
Their idol should be King (compare: "Jesus is King", "we shall reign a
thousand years with christ"). They want a global Empire under an
absolute King. How does that fit with a democracy/Republic under law ?
It doesn't.
> What makes you believe you are not delusional? People believe
> in all sorts of delusions they think are truth and always have. I submit
> people need and so manufacture delusions. Delusions are commodities. We
> accept or reject them like fashion. To ,paraphrase: Truth has no clothes.
Perhaps the question should not be who is delusional, because that is
always difficult to argue, and by the time you get to the real arguments
and evidence almost everyone has long since left the debating table to
waste their time on soccer and beer or whatever. The latter is the
point: wasting time. It is about wasting time, and also to want an
absolute monarchy.
I (as an example of someone who does not worship Jesus or another home
made god) do not waste my time with praying to Jesus, or thinking I am
a cool dude because I worship Jesus and therefore I don't need to do
anything else. Other non-idolators also do not waste their time. It
could be argued that you also keep enough time and energy around to
argue political matters.
The worst of the idolators waste a lot of time on their hobby, they
put all their hope and trust in it, their effort and even their money.
Since they have a psychology of worship of some kind of human like
imaginary creature (typically): where is their intellectual, social and
other efforts to effectuate in the real world and in politics what needs
to happen ? Their psychology is one of: everyone should just worship my
idol, spend all their time on it, and then it will be great with them.
The remove their own human and needed effort from what happens in society
and even around them. Rather than sit in a voting group and debate the
latest details of what the county did, they go to church and think it
will pay out after they die.
The idolators will counter this by saying that by worshipping their
idol, whom they have invented to be a good person, even though Jesus
wasn't good or only according to low standards thereof, standards that
are too low because he puts himself up as King and god, and offers his
blood and meat to be eaten, and then proceeds to set up some kind of
doomsday cult where those with assets distribute them in the group
because the end is near anyway. The idolators will argue that by
worshipping the idol, whom they make out to be a good person, they
themselves will be better, and start caring about society, rather than
raping, plundering and murdering - which is in the direction of what
they would otherwise be doing according to them (otherwise their logic
holds no water).
That may be their argument, but I don't see the evidence. I see people
going to church talking about Jesus, while Julian Assange rots away in
jail. We have had the terrible middle ages under the Jesus fraud system.
The church was an absolute tyranny. It didn't help. Once our
forefathers overthrew this evil jesus church, rather than less the poor
and sick suddenly started receiving real help, to such an extend it was
a marvel in Europe (according to 'The Republic' by Israeli, the 1200 or
so pages thick standard work about the history of the Netherlands).
Here we are, we need to restructure our economy, we need to restructure
our State, and we need to do so many things, or at least have a lively
debate about it. Rather than care, where are they. It is true that you
don't see other people either, and so you can ask: why make the cut at
idolatry, and why not at soccer obsession. Good question. I figure it is
idolatry which is most precisely a psychological tumor which blocks
political activity, because it is precisely nestled on the issue where
people either start doing something themselves or merely wait for their
magical super man to show up.
Because the idolators have this psychology, it primes them to follow and
worship people like Nero, Napoleon, Lenin, Obama and Trump. They have
this careless attitude with the truth, and this childish worship of some
hero that will save them. This combination cannot be good for a
Republic. I wish I didn't have to make this kind of proposal, but since
we are still at a total loss in the political debate, something has to
give, doesn't it. I think the populations have proven that they cannot
handle a Republic in their current average behavior, or in their current
mix so to say, with their current afflictions (be that soccer or
idolatry). It could make an improvement if we split from the idolators,
and even if it might not be that much, we need all the benefit we could
get, evidently.
We could continue with the idolators, and even if we won the Revolution,
the result will likely be the same. The idolators will neglect their
political duties, and the Nation would go down in part because of it.
They will support demagogues like Hitler again, like they now support
Trump. It may be better to aim for a smaller Nation, and a cultural
split with childish people who want to worship idols or waste their
energy on worship of whatever without doing their duty.
It may be possible to remold the religious instincts of people and
direct them at 'the Creator,' and make something so that we live in a
world with certain challenges we need to face up to and solve, and those
challenges are also political, the duty to keep the economy and State
going correctly, to engage and take care of the commons. That is a task
we get, that is the world we live in, which we also help shape. Idolatry
imagines a super-man in the mix who will save us, and that is where the
people become apathetic I guess. Super man needs to be taken out, and
then we are alone with the given challenge, such as stopping the wars,
destroying organized crime, and all these other challenges. We have to
solve these problems. If people want to sit on the ground and wait for
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