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   On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 23:22:47 +0000 (UTC), Steve    
   scrawled in blood:   
      
   	Interesting how you changed the follow-ups. Notice how they've   
   been changed back. I know that you're a troll, though, because trolls   
   change the follow-ups.   
      
      
   >q9c4of976oe6f52n476vsqcsk05roo7g0h@4ax.com posing as Don Kresch wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 14:22:45 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon   
   >> malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk   
   > ________________   
   >>> Marxists tend to regard socialists with contempt,   
   >>>   
   >NO they don't. However not all socialist ideologies were based during the   
   >days of Marx, before and/or after, on proper socioeconomic analysis.   
   >See for instance, going back as far as Plato's philosophy or back that   
   >English humanist Sir Thomas More (see in his Utopia 1516), or the French   
   >Revolution (1789) or look at the Fabian Society which started during the   
   >late Nineteenth Century just to name a few. Do not forget many of the   
   >religions teaching certain forms of socialist ideals.   
   >   
   >Marxism is NOT about contempt, but it is about creating a better and more   
   >resilient future society based on properly understanding past   
   >socioeconomic anomalies plaguing human societies throughout history.   
      
   	If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in   
   Colorado I'd like to sell you.   
      
      
   >>   
   >> 	Then why did Marx and Engels use socialism and communism   
   >> interchangeably?   
   >>   
   >They did NOT.   
      
   	They did. Try reading before you pontificate.   
      
      
   >>> because it's actually a   
   >>> measured dose of socialism that has _prevented_ the prolitarian   
   >>> revolution in the places it has been applied. Marx, quite rightly I   
   >>> think, predicted that unrestrained capitalism would   
   >>   
   >> 	1. Marx used every economic fallacy there is.   
   >> 	2. Name even one place where there has been "unrestrained   
   >>          captialism". Even one.   
   >>   
   >Easy peasy! Take for instance the USA, UK, Chile and the Philippines.   
      
   	None of those have ever had "unrestrained capitalism". Thank   
   you for conceding, kid.   
      
      
      
   >Socialism how you lift society to a more equitable level.   
      
   	If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in North   
   Dakota I'd like to sell you.   
      
   DOn   
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