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   From: licking_the_sweat_off_trumps@balls.com   
      
   On 10/10/2020 7:25 PM, Mattb wrote:   
   > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:18:14 -0500, Don Kresch    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 23:22:47 +0000 (UTC), Steve    
   >> scrawled in blood:   
   >>   
   >> 	Interesting how you changed the follow-ups. Notice how they've   
   >> been changed back. I know that you're a troll, though, because trolls   
   >> change the follow-ups.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> q9c4of976oe6f52n476vsqcsk05roo7g0h@4ax.com posing as Don Kresch wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 14:22:45 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon   
   >>>> malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk   
   >>> ________________   
   >>>>> Marxists tend to regard socialists with contempt,   
   >>>>>   
   >>> NO they don't. However not all socialist ideologies were based during the   
   >>> days of Marx, before and/or after, on proper socioeconomic analysis.   
   >>> See for instance, going back as far as Plato's philosophy or back that   
   >>> English humanist Sir Thomas More (see in his Utopia 1516), or the French   
   >>> Revolution (1789) or look at the Fabian Society which started during the   
   >>> late Nineteenth Century just to name a few. Do not forget many of the   
   >>> religions teaching certain forms of socialist ideals.   
   >>>   
   >>> Marxism is NOT about contempt, but it is about creating a better and more   
   >>> resilient future society based on properly understanding past   
   >>> socioeconomic anomalies plaguing human societies throughout history.   
   >>   
   >> 	If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in   
   >> Colorado I'd like to sell you.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 	Then why did Marx and Engels use socialism and communism   
   >>>> interchangeably?   
   >>>>   
   >>> They did NOT.   
   >>   
   >> 	They did. Try reading before you pontificate.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> because it's actually a   
   >>>>> measured dose of socialism that has _prevented_ the prolitarian   
   >>>>> revolution in the places it has been applied. Marx, quite rightly I   
   >>>>> think, predicted that unrestrained capitalism would   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 	1. Marx used every economic fallacy there is.   
   >>>> 	2. Name even one place where there has been "unrestrained   
   >>>>           captialism". Even one.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Easy peasy! Take for instance the USA, UK, Chile and the Philippines.   
   >>   
   >> 	None of those have ever had "unrestrained capitalism". Thank   
   >> you for conceding, kid.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Socialism how you lift society to a more equitable level.   
   >>   
   >> 	If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in North   
   >> Dakota I'd like to sell you.   
   >   
   >    Venezuela is a example of what you get with socialism.   
      
   You know nothing about either Venezuela or socialism.  That's kind of the   
   same as you don't know anything about liberalism.  All of them are just   
   swearwords you ignorantly toss around.  You're stupid and illiterate.  You   
   agree.   
      
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