XPost: can.politics, aus.politics, us.politics   
   From: LNPtrollbust1@loonynutters.com   
      
   On 12/02/2022 10:45 pm, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
   > Fran,    
   >> On 11/02/2022 5:24 pm, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
   >>> Fran,    
   >>>> On 11/02/2022 5:46 am, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
   >>>>> *Ördög*,    
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> The word *Freedom* is certainly not the only one.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Anyone who'd learn the etymological origin of the word 'freedom'   
   >>>>> (not only in English, in many languages it's similar), would find   
   >>>>> it's not as nice as in the modern [leftist] meaning.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Hmmmmmm. From observation, I strongly suspect thaat the word   
   >>>> 'freedom' in   
   >>>> a political context is much more used by raging hard   
   >>>> right/neo fascists than lefties. eg the freedom convoy in Canada.   
   >>>   
   >>> In a political context, 'freedom' became a well-worn word within   
   >>> liberal thoughts, and in the [North] American use, Liberals are more   
   >>> associated with Leftists.   
   >>   
   >> Maybe in the US but the US is uniquely weird when it comes to politics,   
   >> political jargan and how to usurp prefectly valid words and make them   
   >> socially unacceptable.   
   >   
   > The US-leading 'west' has to adapt to the American trends anyway.   
      
   Americans seem to think that but I doubt the rest of the western world   
   does.  Influence and trends can come form anywhere.   
   >   
   >>> In more original meaning, liberty connotes more like "freedom from   
   >>> [despotic] restrictions", and the supporters of the "freedom convoy"   
   >>> seek to claim their protest is against unreasonable restrictions.   
   >>   
   >> The 'freedom' convoys/marches are full of fruitcakes, loons and   
   >> strange bed   
   >> fellows with disparate aims and goals.   
   >   
   > It may be, but it still doesn't change the basic fact that they protest   
   > against what they perceive as excessive restrictiveness, hence they   
   > employ the "freedom" term.   
      
    From what I can see of these loons, when asked, they can't manage to   
   string together anything more than a 3-5 word slogan that says nothing   
   of any use.  And as I said before, they seem to come from so many   
   disparate and disaffected groups and backgrounds that the only thing   
   that they seem to show as being common to them all is that they are   
   crotchety unhappy about something or other but don't ask them to explain   
   with any precision what it is they are pissed off about.   
   >   
   >> I've yet to see any claims out of the various convoys/marches that make   
   >> sense in mainstream society.   
   >   
   > The Atlanticist political mainstream had made 'freedom' a big word,   
      
   Well certainly the US seems to have done so.   
      
   > especially in foreign policies, and then the abuse is naturally coming   
   > into domestic affairs too. Those people were taught they are supposed   
   > to live in the 'free world'. So some dislike what they see as excessive   
   > restrictions and regulations.   
      
   Yebbut that does seem to be something that is very much loved in the US.   
     In the rest of the English speaking world it often causes an eye   
   rolling response.   
      
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