XPost: can.politics, aus.politics, us.politics   
   From: os333@netc.eu   
      
   Fran,    
   > On 12/02/2022 10:45 pm, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
      
   >>>> In a political context, 'freedom' became a well-worn word within   
   >>>> liberal thoughts, and in the [North] American use, Liberals are more   
   >>>> associated with Leftists.   
   >>>   
   >>> Maybe in the US but the US is uniquely weird when it comes to politics,   
   >>> political jargan and how to usurp prefectly valid words and make them   
   >>> socially unacceptable.   
   >>   
   >> The US-leading 'west' has to adapt to the American trends anyway.   
   >   
   > Americans seem to think that but I doubt the rest of the western world   
   > does.  Influence and trends can come form anywhere.   
   >>   
   >>>> In more original meaning, liberty connotes more like "freedom from   
   >>>> [despotic] restrictions", and the supporters of the "freedom convoy"   
   >>>> seek to claim their protest is against unreasonable restrictions.   
   >>>   
   >>> The 'freedom' convoys/marches are full of fruitcakes, loons and   
   >>> strange bed   
   >>> fellows with disparate aims and goals.   
   >>   
   >> It may be, but it still doesn't change the basic fact that they protest   
   >> against what they perceive as excessive restrictiveness, hence they   
   >> employ the "freedom" term.   
   >   
   > From what I can see of these loons, when asked, they can't manage to   
   > string together anything more than a 3-5 word slogan that says nothing   
   > of any use.  And as I said before, they seem to come from so many   
   > disparate and disaffected groups and backgrounds that the only thing   
   > that they seem to show as being common to them all is that they are   
   > crotchety unhappy about something or other but don't ask them to explain   
   > with any precision what it is they are pissed off about.   
   >>   
   >>> I've yet to see any claims out of the various convoys/marches that make   
   >>> sense in mainstream society.   
   >>   
   >> The Atlanticist political mainstream had made 'freedom' a big word,   
   >   
   > Well certainly the US seems to have done so.   
   >   
   >> especially in foreign policies, and then the abuse is naturally coming   
   >> into domestic affairs too. Those people were taught they are supposed   
   >> to live in the 'free world'. So some dislike what they see as excessive   
   >> restrictions and regulations.   
   >   
   > Yebbut that does seem to be something that is very much loved in the US.   
   >  In the rest of the English speaking world it often causes an eye   
   > rolling response.   
      
   I think, such a cult of freedom serves political engineering, because   
   it allows to embellish and ennoble the hegemonist aspirations of the   
   Atlanticist policy makers who represent interests of big corporations.   
      
   But abuse of freedom slogans also leads to 'side effects' domestically.   
      
   From regular Westerners it's often possible to hear some sane criticism   
   about the American trends and policies, but mainstream politicians are   
   aware of where the master is and what direction they should follow.   
      
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