XPost: aus.politics, can.politics, us.politics   
   From: os333@netc.eu   
      
   Arindam Banerjee,   
      
   > On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 05:46:18 UTC+11, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
      
   >>> Freedom means whether one is free to MOVE or not.   
   >>> Serfs were not free, unlike gypsies, birds, worms, etc.   
   >>> On the other hand, one is tied down by the chains of office.   
   >>> The officebearer is not free either.   
   >>> Nor are those traditionally married.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hooliganism is freedom of a sort.   
   >>   
   >> Opportunity to move does not seem the only component of freedom.   
   >   
   > What else is there?   
      
   Whether one is free to do something or not.   
      
   >> And the office-related issues are linked with social institutions.   
   >> At the early time, when the idea of freedom was first expressed in   
   >> language, there were no developed institutions, there were clans,   
   >> mostly based on kinship, with certain mores and customs.   
   >   
   > Idea of freedom is the most well known to stone age people.   
   > Civilisation that is getting stuck in places trades stone age   
   > freedom for comforts and conveniences.   
      
   Modern life is less primitive, but basics of human nature has not   
   changed much, and modern people dispute (including the start of this   
   thread) whether the term 'freedom' is appropriate in this or that case.   
      
   Many great philosophers wrote about freedom, but I think the best way   
   to grasp the true meaning is to trace how the word originated and then   
   evolved over time up to the present.   
      
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