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   From: Josjoha@market.socialism.nl   
      
   Why was the economy not crashed *before* Trump ?   
      
   The ruling class criminals seem to have had the perfect setup for the   
   future: Joe Biden the fall guy "sleepy Joe" would be president when the   
   economy crashes (the debt crisis implodes on itself, etc), and then so   
   many people will be hurt in their private lives that they would throw   
   all their rage and blood lust behind the evil and insane Fascist   
   dictator of the day (now Trump), and launch World War 3 to take their   
   revenge on whomever would soothe them with the sound of their crying.   
      
   World War 3, nuking the world and its large cities is a serious thing,   
   which likely requires a large amount of irrational rage to get it done.   
      
   Perhaps I'm the only one who makes this a problem, but for now at least   
   I do not understand the ruling class program. If anyone knows why they   
   perhaps want to crash the economy under Trump, let me know. It isn't   
   that there aren't solutions for this, but why wouldn't they take this   
   "shot for open goal" ? Why wouldn't they make it easy on themselves.   
   They could drop a nuke on New York City, blame China or Russia, and then   
   mobilize the anger. I guess that would work, but you still have the risk   
   that people could say: no nukes where dropped on us when Joe Biden was   
   the sock puppet of the international crime syndicates, but now they did   
   under Trump, so we blame Trump for causing this as well.   
      
   For now the best answer I can come up with is: they made a mistake, and   
   it is going to cost them, perhaps dearly. They had the perfect chance to   
   mobilize Fascism in America, wage war and kill millions of people around   
   the world (looking at it from organized crime perspective, who are in   
   control over America of course, and many other countries if not   
   basically all of them, at least on important strategic issues of   
   economics and war). It was not going to be a big problem to have the   
   Trump Fascist cause a massive amount of damage in the world. World War 3   
   would certainly do that, if they will have it again under a Fascist   
   dictator as they did in World War 2.   
      
   This death & destruction should easily be enough motivation to snap the   
   world into anti-Fascist mode again, and get a demagogue like Obama (or one   
   of the people they are undoubtedly grooming right now in their schools)   
   back in power, to entrench some kind of new Empire, or whatever they can   
   get away with at the time. It doesn't seem necessary to blame Trump for   
   the financial crash to get the madness of someone like Obama going   
   again. Did they make a mistake ? Are we now in a state of hubris (a well   
   known concept of ruling class failure, typically during a period of   
   decadence and leading into a period of collapse of an Empire) ? Are they   
   loosing touch with reality, do they think they can get away with   
   whatever they want, and they don't need to play a perfect game anymore ?   
      
   The risk they seem to have created now, is that more people will become   
   sceptical about Trump when / if the economy crashes under Trump, and   
   then you can get a certain combination of ideologies in the opposition,   
   which is more balanced. People who are more to the right (say), would be   
   more sceptical of Trump, and combine more easily with people who are   
   naturally against Fascism / Capitalism (not to be confused with a market   
   economy, something especially Americans as they exist now will probably   
   never understand). This could then become a movement of sorts, a   
   political potential at least, which is more balanced than it otherwise   
   would have been. People more to the center right would have held more   
   illusions regarding Trump if the economy was crashed already, and the   
   people on the (far) left would become more insane when they are not   
   balanced by people who have other ideas (even though both groups are   
   potentially equally shallow). When there is a certain combination of   
   forces who are contradicting each other to a degree, it can lead to a   
   richer and deeper more serious movement. Less insane, less one   
   dimensional, more nuanced. This could become dangerous for the ruling   
   class in the end, because this combination group will then take more   
   exception against demagogues such as Obama.   
      
   Hence the ruling class has then potentially thrown sand on their machine   
   to both ends. Both the Fascist with Trump could become less savage and   
   crazy because Trump may have an amount of blame assigned to him even by   
   his own supporters (section thereof), and then later when they may want   
   to go in the opposite extreme with a demagogue like Obama, the previous   
   momentum created against Trump by some of his own supperters will then   
   also work against this Obama madness (or whomever they will put on the   
   stage to play the role of the left wing dictator, someone like Marx or   
   Lenin); where they may be wanting to put in their insane Basic Income   
   totalitarian control system into action.   
      
   Hence, I do not understand what they are doing, even if in the end they   
   may be getting away with it anyway. It does not seem to be a perfect   
   political game for them, or there are other unknown factors which have   
   caused them to make this decision ? Perhaps I am seeing everything   
   completely wrong.   
      
   For the direction I am promoting, all this is of course good news, if it   
   leads to less radicalism and a more pluriform movement or feeling among   
   the masses, because both the Left and the Right (which are words who   
   have no more meaning in American it looks like, but let's say how these   
   words still had meaning up to perhaps 1980 or so) have some good points   
   which are both needed, and which both hook into the proposal here (see   
   signature). We can hope then, that the ruling class is in a state of   
   hubris, and that this is perhaps a first sign that they are loosing   
   control and loosing touch with playing a tight game. When the people are   
   then eventually perhaps completely demoralized by this ruling class,   
   hopefully they will finally want to get serious about things, or a small   
   minority among them at least. With enough luck, some good may still   
   happen.   
      
   Other factors which may play into it ...   
   - Ruling class not ready yet with centralizing control before they want   
     to crash the economy / launch the hot phase of global nuclear war.   
   - Ruling class getting scared for their own insane plans, delaying it.   
   - Internal struggle in the ruling class.   
   - They think they have so much control, it doesn't matter how / when   
     they crash the economy.   
   - Other / unknown.   
   - This whole argument is completely off and wrong, or what are you even   
     talking about.   
   - Nothing might matter after World War 3 global nuclear war, including   
     this issue.   
   - The plan is to make the Fascist rule a lot longer, and when Trump   
     takes the blame another Fascist will take over ? I don't know,   
     completely making things up at this point.   
      
      
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