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   Violence for humans is weakness, potentially even extinction.   
      
   Everything changed, but the human minds did not change with it. This is   
   a big mistake. Humans have too low standards about their own behavior in   
   all these ways. This may in the end cost them everything, including the   
   positions of power & greed which they covet, and more than that.   
      
   Look for peace, while you still can.   
      
      
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   1. Is it really this bad, isn't this a bit harsh ? Look at all the big   
      cultures and civilizations of the past, and how they collapsed   
      eventually. They collapsed at often the cost of a large section of   
      the population, even though they wheren't even capable of permanently   
      damaging the land with their poisons, they where capable of wiping   
      out animal species but not nearly in the way we can today, and they   
      didn't even have guns, let alone nuclear bombs.   
      
      Our current culture may collapse in ways which where not possible   
      for earlier civilizations, who could often simply replant their soil   
      and stay alive somehow - as many of those people have done. Still,   
      they collapsed and often badly. The collapse of the Roman Empire for   
      example was not a picknick, and the end of the middle ages was marked   
      by the Black Death and many wars.   
      
      How this will end up in the age of biological, nuclear and chemical   
      weapons, coupled with a population who includes people above 20 years   
      old who have no idea on how to run a garden let alone produce serious   
      food for the whole family, is anyone's guess I suppose. Perhaps it   
      won't end up too bad in some areas, but there seems to be a lot of   
      potential for things to go wrong in ways which even the chaos and   
      collapse of previous civilizations could not match.   
      
      The basic problem is that the economy is unstable. It produces   
      extreme wealth and extreme poverty, which eventually tears the   
      civilization to shreds. This is due in no small part to having an   
      incorrect and disfunctional economic system, which is based on Stone   
      Age thinking regarding trade, without factoring in the needs of fixed   
      land use. IF the land is also traded like anything else, a few will   
      won too much, and the masses will become their slaves, until it   
      escalates and falls apart again.   
      
      
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