XPost: soc.culture.jewish   
   From: Josjoha@market.socialism.nl   
      
   Despite clear criminal behavior by 'ICE' brownshirts in Minneapolis   
   (such as the killing of Renee Good), the USA population remains divided   
   and ineffective. Both sides are rude and uncivilized. The familiar   
   pattern of unruly behavior at their small protests continues.   
      
   The USA population does not seem capable of serious protests (10 000 +   
   people, or better 100 000 + in a single march in just one city). They   
   are not organized well. They leave the protesting to youth mobs and   
   loose people who don't seem to know what they are doing. The rudeness   
   and violence only fuels the Trump Fascist even more.   
      
   The American left lost virtually all its credibility over the years and   
   decades past, with a siginifacant part of the USA population.   
      
    - Gay and trancegender madness.   
    - Extreme open immigration policies.   
    - Violence at riots such as BLM (Black Liven Matter).   
    - Corrupt main party (Democrats), almost as corrupt and evil as the   
      Republicans. More reasonable candidates are sidelined by the   
      criminals running the Democratic party.   
    - Anti gun lobby, which also probably means much of the left is   
      uncapable of any sort of armed resistance against Fascism.   
      
   Given these issues, and the way the Trump Fascist base does not seem to   
   care about one of the ICE brown shirts clearly killing a citizen for no   
   reason in the street, my guess is that it is over for the USA Republic.   
      
   There could still be a period of chaos & violence, perhaps they might   
   even impeach Trump or who knows what, because such events also played   
   out when Hitler came to power. With expanding imperial wars, it seems   
   likely that the US population will support their new Fascist Empire, and   
   the few who resist may now start to disappear into secret prisons   
   without trial. This has already been reported, that people are   
   disappearing without reasonable suspicions or warrants.   
      
   In a broader historical perspective, the USA is obviously a Plutocracy   
   and a decadent culture at this point. The moral degradation in the USA   
   is extreme. Marriage seems to be volatile (I think thanks to hollywood   
   propaganda about how man and wife should argue non-stop and have   
   breakups; it seems almost impossible to find a production where man and   
   wife live normally together - and with people it is   
   monkey-see-monkey-do without any thought given).   
      
   The rudeness of American language is severe. They have taken on the way   
   organized criminals seem to usually talk to each other, with at least   
   one F-word per sentence. This is not a way to have a debate. (I would   
   haev to admit, I can also be a bit too harsh in my wording, but that i'm   
   not so good either doesn't mean the point isn't true). The Empire of the   
   USA has been running for quite a while, much blood has been spilled,   
   many soldiers have died for the rich people, with no end in sight.   
   Corruption seems to be severe. The main goal in life seems to be   
   entertainment, getting rich and showing it off.   
      
   Any sort of ideals of living a humble and honest life, wearing modest   
   clothing and correcting the speech of your children to be civilized,   
   seems to be lost for most of the American people. They have s*xual   
   predators (likely worse) as Presidents, yet do not remove them when the   
   scandals come out. Their mass media system is a travesty of rude and   
   childish behavior, quite unlike what you can still see in most or all   
   other Nations their mass media (I hope dearly that this American vice   
   will not spread around the world as well).   
      
   The historical moment seems to allow for the fall of the US Republic   
   into a Tyranny, due to its decadence and hubris.   
      
   On the hubris front, the USA now started a war with Russia, which has   
   the potential of leaving the USA a nuclear wasteland which will never   
   exist again in its current form of a dominant Empire. Their rich people   
   build for themselves lavish palaces and towers, while the homeless   
   people in some cases live in tents on the sidewalk. They seem to have   
   one of the worst medical systems possible, with many people going   
   bankrupt just because they needed help. The debt the Plutocracy has   
   created to fuel their greed is astronomical, and is another historical   
   sign of an Empire (Imperial Republic if you will) which is collapsing.   
      
   Personal note: the way people refuse to think whatsoever in my   
   experience of trying to have a debate about these and related issues,   
   seems to show that it is unlikely that there will be an improvement soon   
   in these conditions. It may still be possible that after severe   
   suffering, such as for example after a general nuclear strike on the USA   
   or several generations of harsh Tyranny, some people realize that they   
   should be doing better on some of these topics.   
      
   On the one hand it is not good to write something like this which may   
   cause demoralization. On the other hand, you could take it as a warning   
   that people need to urgently do so much better, or they will not likely   
   succeed.   
      
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   Relevance to SCJ: many Jewish people live in Trumpistan (post Republic   
   USA, now an open Tyranny run by the gun). While there is a good argument   
   to say 'stand and [struggle], do something' locally, it seems that this   
   may not apply to the Jewish people, who have suffered so many pogroms   
   already at the hands of this kind of a violent and decadent people. The   
   Jewish people do not share the basic idolatry madness of the surrounding   
   overwhelming majority (Jesus the Cannibal is the main god of USA). I   
   think therefore that it is reasonable for Jewish people to leave the   
   USA, rather than 'stand and fight'.   
      
   You could also argue that the Jewish people at least gave the USA a   
   chance to listen to the Torah, even though the Jewish people didn't do   
   that themselves either (although some who care more lie to themselves   
   about it that they do, but they messed up key aspects). This now clearly   
   failed, so you might as well get out.   
      
   There are dangnerous anti-Jewish undercurrents in Trump fascism.   
   The western political left is also turning against Jewish people over   
   Gaza. The Jesus (mock) Cannibals have a big history of repression   
   against Jewish people, and Islam isn't always as hospitable either   
   (although it could be worse I guess). The danger seems to be mounting.   
   The task of getting USA back to a Republic with equality before the law   
   may be impossible to achieve given the general loss of civilization of   
   the people there.   
      
   It is probably better to go to another place and try to be good there.   
   This will probably also not work, perhaps mainly because the Jewish   
   people have overthrown the Torah ... but that is another story.   
      
      
   Tyrannies have a tendency to run purges on the people, take people out   
      
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