From: Josjoha@market.socialism.nl   
      
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   Thanks for replying, I appreciate it very much because almost nobody   
   seems to care seriously. Like I said, you can download my proposal   
   completely free, there is _nothing_ I hold back I don't even _want_   
   anything.   
      
   Continuing a bit then ... I like to identify 4 main powers which we   
   need to distribute, divided in two main sectors I guess: State and   
   economy. State should be as democratic as that people can deal with   
   (apathy is a big problem here). The second is economics, in 3 parts:   
   capital and finance, company ownership, land ownership ("natural   
   resources"). I think land ownership is the most critical, because   
   once people have their land and stick to such rules, they have a   
   base to correct a society which is going increasingly bad. You can   
   start new companies from the raw soil, no need for vampire financier   
   "philanthropists" (ugh lol), no need for banks.   
      
   There _should_ be a market economy, free and open, but of course with the   
   usual sensible rules (don't sell lollipops with poison and call it the   
   free market, etc). Many of such sensible rules we have already. However   
   the power keeps centralizing: mergers, acquisitions, big ones driving   
   the small ones into bankruptcy, cartels and monopolies, also financial   
   control over many companies by debt and stock/shares etc. This clogs up   
   the free market more and more, and you get an Oligarchy, a Plutocracy,   
   and then ... war & Tyranny (and apparently ... ).   
      
   What I'm proposing there is: let's have laws to make the bigger companies   
   (choose your limit) internally democratic (elect / hire your own managers,   
   it is already a proven system), but make it so that this law is triggered   
   only when the starter or the one who grew the company above said limit   
   wants to retire. It becomes a forced sale from owner to employees, and   
   since it is forced it needs to be overseen by a judge to be fair. It   
   turns out that (FWIK) people _love_ to live & work in such companies.   
      
   The problem we have is that finance capital is a parasite, and for them (I   
   think) the profit is when you make a deal with a big company owner to make   
   them even bigger, and then roll the costs off on the employees. Bigger   
   and bigger it gets, then cartels then monopolies, a stuck economy,   
   no freedom, wages go down because people don't have options. You'll   
   notice the lack of right to land also plays a big part here again: no   
   options. Power centralizes. We need power to spread out, and keep it so.   
      
   Then also law to make sure companies never even are allowed to become   
   too monstrous, because how can there still be a market economy with   
   the dynamics it needs, if there are just like 5 companies left in a   
   market. That's almost the same as a Communist plan economy, and probably   
   soon actually will just be that. The companies who are democratized,   
   are _not_ supported by the State, are _not_ in cartels either. They   
   are free running adventures for those people. If they mess up and go   
   bankrupt, if the economy doesn't support their products anymore: too   
   bad your company died.   
      
   ... Then how to implement things like this: I envision 9 methods, which   
   go in increasing force: 0. propaganda (we do this now), 1. buying fair   
   trade (includes buying from democratized companies, also includes things   
   like boycotts of course, vote with your money obviously it can have an   
   effect), 2. to set up mentioned democratized businesses already and set   
   up financing for them; 3 set up political parties but on (not mentioned   
   here) maximum democratic Council Government model to further these things   
   within existing political systems as normal; 4 Constitutional Convention,   
   Revolution and Constitution (this is not about a coup d'etat) where you   
   set up the new Government election system on a Council Government model   
   if you have enough support (if you do not have enough support, you still   
   should set up this system but then you are just a sort of a private good   
   cause organization and you can practice with it to be the State, all in   
   good agreement with the existing Government where possible); 5 to set up   
   a Militia which will protect people from being attacked for political   
   reasons, again with similar internal democracy and this should _not_   
   be a partisan organization but an a-political organizations (plural)   
   who only care about the right to speech and assembly, a simple goal of at   
   least preventing a reign of terror by whomever; 6 when previous attempts   
   fail you are facing a hardened Tyrannical enemy with significant or total   
   territorial control and this is about setting up a conventional army to   
   face the threat with force; 7 when previous method fails you are in a   
   Tyranny, and this is about isolated cell resistance; 8 if even that is   
   also crushed, you are on your own and all you may be able to do is to   
   stash away certain truths and methods for a time in the future.   
      
   Method 4 is in the middle here, and it will be the most   
   transformative. Complete Constitution examples have been made, in several   
   sizes to make ratification easier and more meaningful. The methods 5   
   and higher are hopefully never necessary. What you can see from this,   
   is that it is more than just catching some criminals. It is basically an   
   entire way of life for a Nation. Nevertheless, once we have all this in   
   order (and that can take centuries but who knows), and going back to the   
   original point, I would like to call for the Great Hunt of the people   
   talked about in the video. I suggest however to only capture them,   
   because in prison we can hopefully get more names out of them. Don't   
   help them by silencing witnesses, whether or not those witnesses are   
   guilty is of secondary concern. With the above in operation, we have   
   cut them off from their power, and the people have taken this power   
   (and responsibility) upon themselves.   
      
   This means the people have freed themselves, and chosen a way of   
   peace & justice. Have a great day (in case you didn't notice it, but   
   I personally don't rule a single thing in all of this; it is all set   
   up for self-governance at every stage; I only propose it as a method   
   and the rest is up to everyone. If I start trying ruling this thing,   
   we are back to square one with Kings. You can basically never ask me   
   anything in particular, you always have to figure it out yourselves,   
   but you can use the suggested democratic methods to reach your decisions.)   
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