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From: Andy@nojunqmail.com
On 17/01/2017 07:58, A. Filip wrote:
> AndyW wrote:
>> On 16/01/2017 09:51, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:10:45 +0000
>>> AndyW wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/01/2017 14:51, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:08:48 +0000
>>>>> AndyW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/01/2017 11:55, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>>>>> The Anglican Church was co-opted by the left decades ago and now
>>>>>>> the islamists have gained a toe-hold. This incident is nothing
>>>>>>> short of blasphemy and should be immediately repudiated by the
>>>>>>> Archbishop of Canterbury and the The Queen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What on earth has it to do with the Queen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you a frog, asian, invader??
>>>>
>>>> Neither although I am from immigrant stock back to the 1500s I am
>>>> scottish all the way but there prior to that there was some viking
>>>> influence and some Irish too.
>>>> Under the 'one single drop' rule I must be an immigrant.
>>>>
>>>>> The Church of England is the Anglican Christian state church of
>>>>> England.[2][3][4] Headed by the Archbishop of Canterbury (currently
>>>>> Justin Welby) and primarily governed from London with the monarch as
>>>>> the supreme governor, the Church of England is also the mother
>>>>> church of the international Anglican Communion. The church dates
>>>>> its formal establishment as a national church to the 6th-century
>>>>> Gregorian mission in Kent led by Augustine of Canterbury,[5][6]
>>>>> with considerable features introduced and established during and
>>>>> following the English Reformation in the 16th century.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed but this happened in Scotland which is not England and in the
>>>> Scottish Episcopalian church which is not the Church of England. The
>>>> queen is not the head of the SEC and the Archbishop of Canterbury has
>>>> no control over the Scottish Episcopalian church.
>>>> While the Anglican church is the mother church it has no direct
>>>> control over the members of the international anglican communion and
>>>> the archbishop of canterbury has no control over other bishops.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your attempt to change the subject is weak...
>>
>> ITYM correct your error...
>>
>>> You said:"What on earth has it to do with the Queen?"
>>>
>>> ans,
>>> The Church of England is the Anglican Christian state church of
>>> England.[2][3][4] Headed by the Archbishop of Canterbury (currently
>>> Justin Welby) and primarily governed from London with the monarch as
>>> the supreme governor, the Church of England is also the mother church
>>> of the international Anglican Communion. The church dates its formal
>>> establishment as a national church to the 6th-century Gregorian mission
>>> in Kent led by Augustine of Canterbury,[5][6] with considerable
>>> features introduced and established during and following the English
>>> Reformation in the 16th century.
>>>
>>
>> The queen is *not* the head of the Scottish Episcopalian Church and
>> the Archbishop of Canterbury has no control over the Scottish
>> Episcopalian church.
>> The SEC is part of the Anglican Communion but the Queen has no control
>> over members of the communion nor does the AoC and more than the Queen
>> has control over the Episcopalian church of the USA.
>> The SEC is controlled by the General Synod under guidance of the
>> Primus and the Archbishop of Canterbury has no input to the Synod.
>>
>> "Church of England is also the mother church of the international
>> Anglican Communion" Indeed it is and the Parliament in London is the
>> 'mother of all parliaments' but has no control over the other
>> parliaments. Being the mother church is historic. It has no powers to
>> impose rule on communion members otherwise there would be women
>> bishops in all the members of the anglican communion and gey clergy
>> would be permitted in all communion members.
>>
>> You can keep posting the same thing but it does not make you correct.
>>
>> Andy
>
> So: The Queen has no "power to impose rule" over Scottish Episcopalian
Church.
> Does it exclude Defender of the Faith *obligation* to "scold"?
Defender of the faith applies only to the Church of England and does not
apply to any of the other members in the Anglican communion so she has
no power in the SEC other than as the head of a fellow religion but this
has applied to senior catholic clergy and the Dalai llama IIRC.
Anyone can comment on, condemn or scold the church the queen included.
As head of state in scotland her words may carry more weight but she
cannot impose her rule on the church.
Andy
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