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   From: abelard3@abelard.org   
      
   On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:44:17 +0100, abelard    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 01:24:43 -0800 (PST), saracene   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 8:08:43 AM UTC, saracene wrote:   
   >>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:45:58 PM UTC, abelard wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> > >   
   >>> > >You offensive snippa. I have read and understood far more than you are   
   capable of.   
   >>> >   
   >>> > so you keep saying...unfortunately you cannot back it up   
   >>>   
   >>> >   
   >>> > if only you could, your posts would be of far more interests...   
   >>>   
   >>> so you keep saying...unfortunately you cannot back it up   
   >>> >   
   >>> > jewish science indeed...   
   >>>   
   >>> I did not use the phrase. I do not consider it science. I sad there was a   
   Jewish agenda, which if you look at the evidence you will undersatnd, Please   
   refer to the book on the influence of Jewish mysticism on his thought. That's   
   nothng to do with    
   Nazism.   
   >>>   
   >>> >you're an unreconstructed national socialist..   
   >>> >   
   >>> > you don't thing...you emote and retail slogans   
   >>   
   >>Here are the notes I took after reading Bakan's book on Freud and Jewish   
   mysticism.   
   >   
   >you just don't get it...   
   >read the masters, not their pupils   
   >   
   >>To you it seems that any negative criticims of the Jews is only Nazi   
   propaganda.   
   >   
   >don't be ridiculous...there are plenty of idiots from jewish   
   >    backgrounds just as there are plentiful idiots where ever i look   
   >you are not alone...you even have jews for company   
   >   
   >rbu   
   >   
   >> Theat just goes to show how very limited your view of the world is.   
   >>   
   >>be   
   >>   
   >>150 Reading the book about the influence on Jewish mysticism on Freud.   
   Interesting about the sheer virulence of Viennese antisemitism in 1882. the   
   excesses, understand the reaction without agreeing with it.   
   >>Bakan book, Freud’s thoroughgoing Jewishness, Sabbatianism and its role in   
   preparing the Jewish enlightenment, which was not simply an entry into gentile   
   culture.   
   >>   
   >>153& Bakan emphasises Freud’s interest in pacts with the Devil & the yoke of   
   the law. At the heart of the western tradition is anti-semitism and the   
   opposite of that is just Jewish supermacism.   
   >>   
   >>Sheer intensity of Freud’s Jewish commitment. Despite the antinomianism. In   
   some respects the yoke retained, as in the idea of genitality, the idea of the   
   wife. His remarks on Daniel Deronda. Things Jews speak of only among   
   themselves. So they are    
   admittedly secretive and yet they desire to dominate the rest of us with their   
   cultural products. Psychoanalysis was presented as science. For decades it   
   dominated the mind of western man. The religious Jew is deeply and profoundly   
   different. How    
   judaisied our culture became.   
   >>   
   >>Freud’s absorption in Jewish problems. Mysticism and sabbatianism, his   
   theories of sexuality. The dominance achieved for a while by his Jewish ideas   
   over the gentile intellect.   
   >>   
   >>Crowley’s interest in the kabbalah. Contributions of these ideas, including   
   the Zohar, to creativity of thought, but also the aggression. Idea of the yoke   
   of the law as the price to be paid for the power offered. The deeply alien   
   quality of the Jewish    
   moral universe, The different value set upon sexuality. The intensely   
   matriarchal character. The overvaluation of women, the daughter, the mother,   
   the wife.   
   >>The puzzle of where all this could have come from. The extraordinarily   
   different religion. As life, everyday life, as controlled by rules. even the   
   rewards all come with rules. Sexual pleasure has been colonised made   
   matriarchal..   
   >>What could have been the origin of this peculiar matriarchy that form of   
   enslavement?   
   >>Understanding Freud. The kabblah long influenced gentiles. There was the   
   Christian kabbalah. Some of the roots were in neoplatonism, in Erigena. Freud   
   also fascinated but he seems to a degree malign. In my writing on Freud I   
   opposed Nietzsche to Freud.    
   But the real significance of Freud is that he offers a Jewish cure for a   
   Jewish sickness, With respect to gentiles, the reward is power over their   
   minds. Pulling them so far into Jewish thought but only so far as to get a hold   
   >>Nietzsche on Wagner. The conversion of the Jews. He understood as much about   
   antisemitism as Wagner did,. Freud as Jewish mystic.   
   >>The pessimism of Freud, the ultimate unhappiness, comes down to his   
   Jewishness. All his pessimism relates to his Jewish identity. His desire to be   
   both kinds of Messiah, the military as well as the spiritual   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>165 Crowley like Freud, Freud like Crowley. Enlightenment as power, the   
   egoless enlightenment some people promote as equivalent to death. Mysticism as   
   the will to death.   
   >>Crowley on sexuality. Typical of his whole message and the need to read   
   between the lines. The Jewish God, the Jewish lies and deception, as something   
   vital to our civilisation, antithesis, content with a naïve Christian   
   dualism.. the inevitable    
   demoralisation, to be ruled by a lie out of good will. How intolerable is that   
   . the sincere but naïve.   
      
      
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