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   From: joe@jretrading.com   
      
   On Fri, 26 May 2017 22:29:14 +0100   
   Big Jumper  wrote:   
      
      
   >   
   > Consider that men in blue collar trades are and used to be built like   
   > brick shithouses, and were socialists.   
      
   They most certainly were not. They may well have been members of trade   
   unions, but in most industrial workplaces, that was a condition of   
   employment, something only stopped in the 1980s. While the trade unions   
   campaigned tirelessly to meet "their members' natural aspirations", no   
   union had any interest in improving the life of anyone who wasn't a   
   member. That wasn't socialism, that was the workers' version of:   
      
   "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and   
   diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the   
   public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."   
      
   >While the white collar office   
   > staff were Tories.   
   >   
      
   More likely the other way around. It was those in the public sector,   
   largely in sedentary occupations, who voted Labour. Notable socialists   
   have pretty much all been rich people. 'Blue collar' people tend to   
   live rather closer to reality, and can see that socialism doesn't work.   
   Most of the workers who voted Labour did so from peer pressure, they   
   certainly have not seen Labour as working in their interests. The   
   support of Labour Party for the working class is currently being   
   questioned, but I haven't ever seen any evidence of it in the last   
   fifty years.   
      
   --   
   Joe   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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