XPost: alt.talk.royalty, soc.culture.british, alt.society.monarchy
From: le@top.put.com
In alt.talk.royalty Louis Epstein wrote:
> A revision for the 39th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.
>
> The oldest-ever Prince of Wales has the two oldest-ever sons
> of a Prince of Wales,and the oldest-ever grandson of a Prince
> of Wales,and oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales
(and,I forgot to clarify,oldest-ever child and second child of a
son of a Prince of Wales)
> (though the daughters of Edward VII's daughter currently retain
> the records for oldest grandchild (Alexandra) and oldest granddaughters
> (Alexandra first and Maud second) of a Prince of Wales).
>
> The Queen is now two months past 95,a milestone the Prince of Wales
> would not reach until January 2044.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
> as they were on September 26th 1882.
>
> Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 63,was on the throne;
> her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
> Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
> 6 weeks from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 73),
> the future George V was under 4 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge
> is now 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
> all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
> Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
> brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
> The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
> Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
> the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
> over six years to live.
>
> The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
> Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
> St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
> exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
> or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
> Newcastle was under five months old.
>
> Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
> was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
> had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
> Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
> Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
> Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
>
> William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
> Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
> had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
> (which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
> be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
> the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
> effect with the following election.
> Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
> Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
> had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
> James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
> Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
> the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
> by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
> sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.
>
> Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
> decade from adding the New Territories.
>
> Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
> had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
> an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
> Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
> some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
> and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
> for the final time.
>
> The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
> 1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
> Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
> Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
> nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
> "The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
> Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
> and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
> taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
> Chesapeake in 1813.
> The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
> while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
> (born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
> Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
> had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
>
> The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
> great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
> the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
> of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
> the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
> present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
> a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
> succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
> grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
> second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
> and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
> The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
> Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
> The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
> succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
> great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
> The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
> great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
> 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
> great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
> predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
> a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
> septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
> The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
> had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
> The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
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