XPost: alt.talk.royalty, soc.culture.british, alt.society.monarchy   
   From: le@top.put.com   
      
   Another "out of bounds" revision to catch an error   
   (I had omitted Lord Saye and Sele's 101st birthday   
   months ago...and he is now the oldest living peer   
   with the death of Viscount Falmouth(1919-2022) on   
   March 7th).   
   The only other remaining hereditary peers older than   
   the Queen (listed in order of birth)   
   are the Earl of Elgin & Kincardine,   
   Baron Monk Bretton(lone surviving peer of George V's reign),   
   Baron Walsingham,Baron Wakehurst,the Marquess of   
   Ailesbury,and Baron Gainford (born the day before   
   Her Majesty).   
      
   With the next revision,the reference date will move   
   back into 1881 (the year Disraeli died).   
      
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   Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire   
   as they were on January 3rd 1882.   
      
   Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 63,was on the throne;   
   she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee   
   would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only 8   
   weeks past 40 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 73),   
   the future George V was 5 months from 17(the Duke of Cambridge is   
   under 4 months from 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all   
   his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet   
   Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder   
   brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.   
   The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was   
   Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law   
   the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with   
   over seven years to live.   
      
   The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,   
   Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,   
   St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet   
   exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,   
   or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of   
   Liverpool was under 2 years old.   
      
   Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,   
   Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was seven years old,   
   and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)   
   had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).   
   Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish   
   Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour   
   Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over   
   a decade.   
      
   William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been   
   Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government   
   had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884   
   (which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would   
   be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish   
   the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into   
   effect with the following election.   
   Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.   
   Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,   
   had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles   
   James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).   
      
   Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been   
   the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished   
   by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,   
   sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal   
   Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old   
   Bailey would not open for decades.   
      
   Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a   
   decade from adding the New Territories.   
      
   Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII   
   had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in   
   an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.   
   Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,   
   some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,   
   and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone   
   for the final time.   
      
   The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born   
   1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and   
   Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);   
   Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805   
   nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to   
   "The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of   
   Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,   
   and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had   
   taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS   
   Chesapeake in 1813.   
   The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,   
   while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan   
   (born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the   
   Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804   
   had yet to receive promotion to that rank.   
      
   The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,   
   great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)   
   the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather   
   of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),   
   the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
   present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and   
   a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,   
   succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-   
   grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,   
   second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),   
   and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).   
   The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the   
   Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.   
   The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be   
   succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the   
   great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).   
   The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-   
   great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the   
   3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the   
   great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his   
   predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,   
   a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
   septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.   
   The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and   
   had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.   
   The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with   
   over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,   
   and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.   
   The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of   
      
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