XPost: alt.talk.royalty, soc.culture.british, alt.society.monarchy
From: le@top.put.com
In alt.talk.royalty The Doctor wrote:
> In article ,
> Louis Epstein wrote:
>>A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
>>which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.
>>
>>The Queen's current age would be reached by the
>>Prince of Wales in January 2045,
>>the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,
>>and by Prince George in September 2109.
>>
>>When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign
>>was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.
>>
>>When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only
>>months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned
>>40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,
>>when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just
>>under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.
>>
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
>>as they were on September 28th 1881.
>>
>>Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;
>>she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee
>>would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks
>>short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),
>>the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge
>>is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all
>>his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet
>>Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
>>brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.
>>The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
>>Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
>>the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
>>over seven and a half years to live.
>>
>>The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
>>Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,
>>St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
>>exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
>>or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
>>Liverpool was under a year and a half old.
>>
>>Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,
>>Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,
>>and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
>>had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
>>Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
>>Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
>>Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over
>>a decade.
>>
>>William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
>>Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
>>had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
>>(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
>>be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
>>the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
>>effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law
>>for nine years).
>>Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.
>>Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
>>had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
>>James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
>>
>>Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
>>the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
>>by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
>>sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal
>>Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old
>>Bailey would not open for decades.
>>
>>Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
>>decade from adding the New Territories.
>>
>>Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII
>>had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
>>an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.
>>Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
>>some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
>>and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
>>for the final time.
>>
>>The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
>>1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
>>Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
>>Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
>>nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
>>"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
>>Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
>>and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
>>taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
>>Chesapeake in 1813.
>>The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
>>while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
>>(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
>>Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
>>had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
>>
>>The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
>>great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
>>the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
>>of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
>>the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
>>present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
>>a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
>>succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
>>grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
>>second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
>>and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
>>The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
>>Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
>>The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
>>succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
>>great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
>>The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
>>great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
>>3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
>>great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
>>predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
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