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   From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca   
      
   In article ,   
   Louis Epstein   wrote:   
   >In alt.talk.royalty The Doctor  wrote:   
   >> In article ,   
   >> Louis Epstein   wrote:   
   >>>A revision for the 40th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,   
   >>>which also marks two months after the Queen turned 96.   
   >>>   
   >>>The Queen's current age would be reached by the   
   >>>Prince of Wales in January 2045,   
   >>>the Duke of Cambridge in August 2078,   
   >>>and by Prince George in September 2109.   
   >>>   
   >>>When the Prince of Wales turned 56,the Queen's reign   
   >>>was still closer to its middle than to its eventual end.   
   >>>   
   >>>When George V turned 40,Edward VII's reign was only   
   >>>months from reaching its midpoint,when Edward VIII turned   
   >>>40 George V's reign was less than 2 years from ending,   
   >>>when George VI turned 40 Edward VIII's reign was just   
   >>>under a year,and George V's just over a month,from ending.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
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   >>>   
   >>>Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire   
   >>>as they were on September 28th 1881.   
   >>>   
   >>>Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 62,was on the throne;   
   >>>she was over five years from her Golden Jubilee,her Diamond Jubilee   
   >>>would be ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6 weeks   
   >>>short of 40 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 74),   
   >>>the future George V was under 4 months past 16(the Duke of Cambridge   
   >>>is now 40--George V became Heir Apparent at 35 when all   
   >>>his children were younger than Princess Charlotte is now),not yet   
   >>>Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder   
   >>>brother (who had over a decade to live) yet 18.   
   >>>The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was   
   >>>Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law   
   >>>the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with   
   >>>over seven and a half years to live.   
   >>>   
   >>>The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,   
   >>>Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Newcastle,Portsmouth,   
   >>>St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet   
   >>>exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,   
   >>>or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of   
   >>>Liverpool was under a year and a half old.   
   >>>   
   >>>Lloyd George,Macdonald,and Baldwin were teenagers,   
   >>>Chamberlain was twelve and Churchill was six years old,   
   >>>and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)   
   >>>had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).   
   >>>Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish   
   >>>Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour   
   >>>Party proper,was aged twenty-five and would not be an MP for over   
   >>>a decade.   
   >>>   
   >>>William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been   
   >>>Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government   
   >>>had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884   
   >>>(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would   
   >>>be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish   
   >>>the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into   
   >>>effect with the following election.(The secret ballot had been law   
   >>>for nine years).   
   >>>Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-seven years.   
   >>>Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,   
   >>>had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles   
   >>>James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).   
   >>>   
   >>>Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been   
   >>>the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished   
   >>>by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,   
   >>>sources disagree) had yet to become Master of the Rolls.The Royal   
   >>>Courts of Justice building was under construction and today's Old   
   >>>Bailey would not open for decades.   
   >>>   
   >>>Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a   
   >>>decade from adding the New Territories.   
   >>>   
   >>>Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete in the reign of Edward VII   
   >>>had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in   
   >>>an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown,which would sink it.   
   >>>Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,   
   >>>some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,   
   >>>and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone   
   >>>for the final time.   
   >>>   
   >>>The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born   
   >>>1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and   
   >>>Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);   
   >>>Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805   
   >>>nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to   
   >>>"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of   
   >>>Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,   
   >>>and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had   
   >>>taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS   
   >>>Chesapeake in 1813.   
   >>>The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,   
   >>>while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan   
   >>>(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the   
   >>>Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804   
   >>>had yet to receive promotion to that rank.   
   >>>   
   >>>The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,   
   >>>great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)   
   >>>the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather   
   >>>of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),   
   >>>the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the   
   >>>present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and   
   >>>a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,   
   >>>succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-   
   >>>grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,   
   >>>second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th   
   Duke),   
   >>>and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).   
   >>>The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the   
   >>>Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.   
   >>>The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be   
   >>>succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the   
   >>>great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).   
   >>>The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-   
   >>>great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the   
      
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