home bbs files messages ]

Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"

   alt.politics.clinton      Slick Willy and his even slicker wife      65,031 messages   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]

   Message 64,633 of 65,031   
   Ilya Shitbat to Bradley K. Sherman   
   Re: 'Impeachment No. 3': Jan. 6 panel is   
   08 Sep 22 00:06:33   
   
   XPost: alt.politics.org.fbi, rec.outdoors.rv-travel, talk.politics.guns   
   XPost: talk.politics.misc   
   From: todd@astrocoonsulting.com   
      
   In article    
   bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:   
   >   
   > The whole USA's gonna be after Democrats in November 2022.   
      
   RENO, Nev. — Republican voters in Nevada were aware Tuesday that   
   the Jan. 6 committee was building a public case that Donald   
   Trump knew the election wasn’t stolen.   
      
   They saw some of the committee’s new video footage of violence   
   at the Capitol on Jan. 6.   
      
   “Reprehensible,” said one voter.   
      
   “Disgusting,” said a second.   
      
   “It has everybody angry,” said a third.   
      
   It wasn’t the noose hanging outside the Capitol that upset them,   
   the chants of “hang Mike Pence” or the testimony of the   
   president’s former attorney general.   
      
   Instead, it was “Washington politicians” and “the media   
   establishment,” several voters interviewed said, who they saw as   
   trying to stack the deck against the former president.   
      
   “It might as well be impeachment No. 3 for Donald Trump,” said   
   Judy Cameron, a Reno retiree who had just voted in Nevada’s   
   Republican primaries on Tuesday with her husband. “This is their   
   big push to get Donald Trump off the ballot.”   
      
   NBC News talked to more than two dozen voters in both Washoe and   
   Clark counties — the two most populous in Nevada — and found   
   that the Jan. 6 committee hearings that captivated Washington   
   not only failed to persuade these voters but pushed them in the   
   opposite direction.   
      
   Among this sampling of Republicans, including in Washoe, the   
   swingiest county in one of the nation’s swingiest states, it has   
   hardened partisan views, spawned more conspiracies or deepened   
   fealty toward Trump.   
      
   Though a limited snapshot, the unpersuaded voters underscore the   
   near impossibility that the committee — no matter how stunning   
   the new evidence they unearthed appeared to be — will be able to   
   persuade a segment of voters who remain unmoved.   
      
   Fox News — a major driver of public opinion on the right —   
   refused to carry the first prime-time hearing (it has since   
   reversed course). Still, prime-time hosts like Laura Ingraham   
   have chosen to forgo replaying the new violent scenes, and,   
   after the first hearing, spent much of the hour afterward   
   mocking Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the top Republican on the   
   committee, and her voice.   
      
   The committee’s members have acknowledged they’re unlikely to   
   move many Trump loyalists, and instead have set lower goals,   
   like trying to convince enough moderates to sign on to   
   overhauling the Electoral Count Act to remove loopholes. Their   
   loftier goals — like convincing the Department of Justice to   
   indict Trump — don’t require voter support.   
      
   And Trump voters say they see through the effort as purely   
   political.   
      
   On Nevada’s primary election day, as voters hurried in and out   
   of their polling spots, wearing stars-and-stripes socks pulled   
   up to their knees or collecting into small groups to grouse that   
   developing countries had superior election integrity,   
   Republicans were light-years away from granting credibility to   
   the Jan. 6 committee.   
      
   “It’s all political and designed to try to prevent Donald Trump   
   from running for president again,” said Tom Berenato, a two-time   
   Trump voter and Clark County resident.   
      
   He called the Jan. 6 committee flawed because it has “nobody on   
   it with opposing views” to the majority on the panel of   
   Democrats and what he called “anti-Trumpers” like Cheney.   
      
   While Berenato doesn’t believe Trump’s false claim that the 2020   
   election was stolen, he still thought the former president’s   
   pursuit of election audits and lawsuits were worthy “because   
   there were a lot of irregularities and shenanigans going on in   
   several swing states.”   
      
   Many other voters interviewed dug in on 2020 election denialism   
   and repeatedly brought up the need for election integrity. They   
   slammed the mainstream media — including Fox News — and even   
   suggested that the witnesses, nearly all of whom so far have   
   been Republican men, were coerced into their testimony.   
      
   The hardened views persisted after testimony was aired from   
   Trump’s former attorney general, William Barr, and former   
   campaign manager Bill Stepien, both of whom said they had told   
   the then-president that there was insufficient evidence of   
   massive voter fraud and no legal support to overturn the 2020   
   election.   
      
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]


(c) 1994,  bbs@darkrealms.ca