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From: dfeldman@cpd.org
On 09 Nov 2025, Gronk posted some
news:10es4df$3qvvb$7@dont-email.me:
> Collectivism_Always_Fails wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 18:58:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote in
>>> news:32hhgklt312uqupp3ul27p4st1vni7rfo7@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 13:59:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>> news:brahgk1b2umle8493b7p3is7v4k6nuovpd@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:09:52 -0800, Salty Stan
>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <5zYNQ.237243$0vja.216464@fx35.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2025 8:14 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:08 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:074rfklkg5lortcr4sg22vkusg9e4g3i67@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 02:22:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:1taLQ.348609$RrE7.292641@fx45.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/2025 11:42 AM, No_Leftists_Here wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:10:38 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"because_\\shitbag\\_was_taken"@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of "how" the country is selected, do you think
>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deport someone to a country to which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can deport themselves to anywhere they want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you pretend to be concerned — actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>> obsessed — with unlawful presence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer: you're not. That's just the fig leaf or smokescreen
>>>>>>>>>>>> for your racism. You don't really care about immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>> status per se. What you care about is their race/ethnicity.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were 10 million
>>>>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>> northern Europeans — Finns, Swedes, Norwegians,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Danes, Irish, Dutch — unlawfully present in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> country, you wouldn't say a thing. We know this about you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue for you and your
>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nazi "Attila" is race and ethnicity — nothing else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The irony is that America has ALWAYS
>>>>>>>>>>> depended on foreign immigrant labor. The
>>>>>>>>>>> indentured workers from England, the Irish,
>>>>>>>>>>> the Germans, Chinses coolies, African slaves,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even now farmers have to fly in workers
>>>>>>>>>> >from JAMAICA because no one else will do the
>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As long as they are here legally there is no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How much extra do you want to pay
>>>>>>>>> for produce becuase expensive Jamaicans
>>>>>>>>> are being used instead of cheap migrants?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has been suggested a program be set up to legally allow
>>>>>>>> farm workers in during the season. Congress has yet to pass
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You stupid fuck. There *is* such a program already. It's called
>>>>>>> H-2A visas. Look it up, you stupid lying ignorant fuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok Then there is no reason to say farmers need illegals to
>>>>>> harvest crops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the cost for a farmer to fly in
>>>>> workers from Jamaica vs the cost of hiring
>>>>> workers gathered at his fence ready to being
>>>>> harvesting?
>>>>>
>>>>> And who ultimately pays that cost?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The American taxpayer if the illegals are allowed in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Undocumented immigrants contribute more to
>>> Social Security than they receive in benefits
>>> MAy 1
>>>
>>> "Immigrants overall actually help bolster
>>> the finances of Social Security," said
>>> Jack Smalligan, a senior policy fellow at
>>> the Urban Institute and co-author of a
>>> proposal to address Social Security's
>>> trust fund shortfall in part by increasing
>>> employment and family-based visas.
>>> "Immigrants are very important right now,
>>> especially as we see a very low birth rate
>>> among Americans. Immigrants tend to be
>>> younger and contribute to Social Security
>>> throughout their lifetime."
>>>
>>> Legal immigrants and many undocumented
>>> workers without employment authorization
>>> pay Social Security taxes, analyses show.
>>> Some undocumented immigrants use fake
>>> Social Security numbers or ones they may
>>> have had before their work permits lapsed.
>>>
>>> In 2022, for example, undocumented
>>> immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in
>>> federal, state and local income taxes,
>>> including nearly $26 billion in Social
>>> Security taxes and $6.4 billion in
>>> Medicare taxes, according to the
>>> Institute on Taxation and Economic
>>> Policy, a left-leaning think tank.
>>> (The report takes into account both
>>> employer and employee contributions
>>> to Social Security and Medicare taxes.)
>>>
>>> "The federal government is essentially
>>> receiving free money from these
>>> undocumented immigrants," said Marco
>>> Guzman, senior analyst at the institute.
>>> "They are contributing to a system they
>>> will not benefit from. Who is benefiting?
>>> It's American citizens."
>>>
>>> For instance, the surge of immigrants
>>> in recent years is expected to boost
>>> Social Security's revenues by $348
>>> billion between 2024 and 2034,
>>> according to a Congressional Budget
>>> Office analysis released last year.
>>> Over the same period, these folks
>>> will collect only about $1 billion,
>>> the CBO projected.
>>>
>>> https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/undocumented-immigrants-
>>> social-security
>>
>>
>> CNN??? Really?
>
> Yes. Unless you have other figures to post?
CNN has the same credibility Obamacare does, zilch.
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