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   HeatWave  wrote in   
   news:WzqDg.68107$MW.33363@trnddc04:   
      
   > Enkidu wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Yeah?  So is there any reason to believe a god exists or not?   
   >   
   > It has been said that there are two books that tell us about the   
   > existence of God—the 'book' of creation, or nature around us, and the   
   > Bible. They have been the basis for belief for millions of people past   
   > and present. For example, a king of the 11th century B.C.E., impressed   
   > by what he observed in the starry heavens, exclaimed poetically: 'The   
   > heavens are declaring the glory of God; and of the work of his hands   
   > the expanse is telling.' (Psalm 19:1) In the 20th century, an   
   > astronaut, looking at the spectacular view of the earth from his   
   > spacecraft as it circled the moon, was moved to recite: 'In the   
   > beginning God created the heaven and the earth.'—Genesis 1:1, KJ.   
      
   The "Book of Creation" does not tell us anything about the existance of   
   God, it is simply the reality against which all beliefs and theories must   
   be checked.  And the Bible is just one among many "Holy Books" that   
   claims to have all the answers, even answers to questions no sane person   
   would ask.  Hold the Bible up to reality and compare.  Does the Bible   
   match reality?  No?  Then it must be discarded.   
      
   >   These two books, however, are under attack by those who claim no   
   > belief in God. They say that scientific investigation of the world   
   > around us has proved that life came into existence not by intelligent   
   > creation but by blind chance and the haphazard process of evolution.   
      
   Who says that?  Stephen J. Gould didn't.  Richard Dawkins doesn't.  They   
   say that evolution and the natural processes we see around us are quite   
   capable of explaining what we see, that theories based on evolution and   
   these natural processes match quite well when held up against reality.   
   There is simply no need to postulate a creator god, no observation such a   
   postulate explains, so like all surplus postulates, it is discarded.   
      
   > They argue, therefore, that there was no Creator and that it follows   
   > that the question of God is superfluous. Furthermore, many of them   
   > believe that the Bible is simply out-of-date and illogical, hence, not   
   > worthy of belief. Consequently, for them, there is no longer any basis   
   > for belief in the existence of God. Is all of this true? What do the   
   > facts show?   
      
   Isn't the Bible "out of date"?  It claims the Earth is flat and stands   
   still.  It sanctions slavery, intfanticide, genocide, stoning children   
   and wives and rape.  Are these *your* values?   
      
   --   
   Enkidu AA#2165   
   http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/   
   EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,   
   ULC, Modesto, CA   
      
   I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)