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   From: HeatWave@mailinator.com   
      
   Enkidu wrote:   
   > HeatWave  wrote in   
   > news:WzqDg.68107$MW.33363@trnddc04:   
   >   
   >> Enkidu wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Yeah?  So is there any reason to believe a god exists or not?   
   >> It has been said that there are two books that tell us about the   
   >> existence of God—the 'book' of creation, or nature around us, and the   
   >> Bible. They have been the basis for belief for millions of people past   
   >> and present. For example, a king of the 11th century B.C.E., impressed   
   >> by what he observed in the starry heavens, exclaimed poetically: 'The   
   >> heavens are declaring the glory of God; and of the work of his hands   
   >> the expanse is telling.' (Psalm 19:1) In the 20th century, an   
   >> astronaut, looking at the spectacular view of the earth from his   
   >> spacecraft as it circled the moon, was moved to recite: 'In the   
   >> beginning God created the heaven and the earth.'—Genesis 1:1, KJ.   
   >   
   > The "Book of Creation" does not tell us anything about the existance of   
   > God, it is simply the reality against which all beliefs and theories must   
   > be checked.   
      
   Then it would not be a book of creation.   
      
   > And the Bible is just one among many "Holy Books" that   
   > claims to have all the answers, even answers to questions no sane person   
   > would ask.   
      
   I never seen the Bible make such a claim. People who read it do.   
      
     > Hold the Bible up to reality and compare.  Does the Bible   
   > match reality?  No?  Then it must be discarded.   
      
   Do you always answer your own questions, more so when you ask others to   
   do something.   
      
   Sound like this: "Enkidu go take a crap In that latrine, I didn't so   
   nobody can use it."   
      
      
      
   >   
   >>   These two books, however, are under attack by those who claim no   
   >> belief in God. They say that scientific investigation of the world   
   >> around us has proved that life came into existence not by intelligent   
   >> creation but by blind chance and the haphazard process of evolution.   
   >   
   > Who says that?  Stephen J. Gould didn't.  Richard Dawkins doesn't.   
      
   ok so you mentioned two individuals. Got anymore?   
      
   > They   
   > say that evolution and the natural processes we see around us are quite   
   > capable of explaining what we see, that theories based on evolution and   
   > these natural processes match quite well when held up against reality.   
   > There is simply no need to postulate a creator god, no observation such a   
   > postulate explains, so like all surplus postulates, it is discarded.   
   >   
   >> They argue, therefore, that there was no Creator and that it follows   
   >> that the question of God is superfluous. Furthermore, many of them   
   >> believe that the Bible is simply out-of-date and illogical, hence, not   
   >> worthy of belief. Consequently, for them, there is no longer any basis   
   >> for belief in the existence of God. Is all of this true? What do the   
   >> facts show?   
   >   
   > Isn't the Bible "out of date"?  It claims the Earth is flat and stands   
   > still.  It sanctions slavery, intfanticide, genocide, stoning children   
   > and wives and rape.  Are these *your* values?   
   >   
      
   I see you haven't been following the War in Iraq, nor the   
   Israel-Lebanese conflict.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)