XPost: alt.activism, alt.politics, alt.politics.economics   
   From: standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net   
      
   "Tim Howard"  wrote in message   
   news:2vqjh.135190$xM4.67975@newsfe07.phx...   
   > Stan de SD wrote:   
   >   
   > > Tell me where 1% control all the wealth, other than in Communist   
   nations,   
   > > and present some sources and cites to back up your claim. Otherwise,   
   you're   
   > > blowing smoke out of your ass as usual.   
   > >   
   > This thread was refering to a UN report showing 1% control half of all   
   > PERSONAL wealth.   
      
   Yes, and I mentioned a couple of examples of where 1% of a population   
   control nearly ALL the personal wealth: North Korea and Cuba, the 2 remaning   
   hard-core full-on communist states. Your hot button is pushed (again)   
   because I dared say something bad about Communism.   
      
   >  You and a bunch of others who do not want to address   
   > this issue have gotten off topic.  Go back to the beginning of this   
   > thread to see the source.   
      
   I'm right on topic - you're just so caught up in your silly-assed Marxist   
   way of thinking to understand it. For starters, people who piss and moan   
   about one group having more wealth than others are distributionists -   
   communists, socialists, and liberals (not that there's a whole lot of   
   distinction between them). They operate off of the demonstrably incorrect   
   assumption that somehow everyone would be better if they were allowed to   
   redistribute wealth by some other formula. The fact of the matter is that   
   societies who practice it wind up with LESS wealth for the majority of   
   people in the long run. But then again, people who refuse to understand   
   basic economics because it interferes with their ideology don't give a shit   
   about the facts anyway.   
      
   >   >>>Tell us why people are starving in Cuba, Zimbabwe, and North Korea,   
   > >>   
   > >>There is no mass starvation in Cuba.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Rations allowed to Cuban slaves in 1842:   
   > > Meat - 8 ounces   
   > > Rice - 3 ounces   
   > > Beans - 4 ounces   
   > > Rations allowed to Cuban slaves citizens since 1962:   
   > > Meat - 2 ounces   
   > > Rice - 3 ounces   
   > > Beans - 1 ounce   
   > >   
   > This is not all the food they have to eat and you know it.   
      
   So tell us where they get the rest of their food? Safeway in Havana? 7-11 in   
   Matanzas? Trader Joe's in Cienfuegos? Come on, knock off the bullshit.   
   Cubans are so underfed, they dream and SING about food in their own music...   
   :O|   
      
   >   >>In Zimbabwe there is "selective   
   > >>starvation", where the Gov. is deliberatly targeting areas where it's   
   > >>perceived enemies are.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Nice try, Timmy Toilet. Mass starvation has been going on for several   
   years   
   > > now:   
   > >   
   > My name is not Timmy.   
   >   
   > > Archbishop: Thousands of Zimbabweans starve, die weekly from disease   
   > >   
   > > By Simon Caldwell   
   > > Catholic News Service   
   >   
   > I am not going to defend the regime in Zimbabwa.   
      
   Because you can't. Mugabe is a Marxist who is using his political philosophy   
   to starve his own people.   
      
   >   > The U.N. World Food Program estimates that 6.1 million Zimbabweans,   
   > about   
   > > half of the 12 million population, face starvation.   
   > >   
   > If this is true, then Mugabe's selective starvation program even more of   
   > the country than I had know about.  I am not defending his program.   
   >   
   > > "Zimbabwe is not a nation at war," Archbishop Ncube said. "It used to be   
   > > able to feed itself and its neighbors. Zimbabwe used to have one of the   
   > > highest life-expectancy rates in Africa.   
   > >   
   > So there has not always been starvation since the day Mugabe took over.   
   >   Again I said the starvation and disease were not a result of   
   > "communist" policies.  They are a result of Mugabe persuing a policy of   
   > killing his assumed enemies, and of him "importing military aircraft   
   > from China" instead of "   
      
   Timmy, you're in such denial. Marxism starts with confiscation of the wealth   
   of others, with the idea that the confiscators can do better if they have   
   all the power. When it's clear they can't, then they need scapegoats, and   
   that's where the killing starts. Stalin, Mugabe, Che Guevara, Mao, Mugabe   
   all travel the same road to driving their people into starvation and misery.   
      
   > North Koreans are starving because Kim Jung Il has   
   > >>isolated them from the world.  What is happening there would happen to   
   > >>any poor nation, even a capitalist nation.   
   > >   
   > > More bullshit. The DPRK is a hard-core communist nation.   
   >   
   > Yes it is.  Perhaps I didn't clarify.  I meant if any poor nation   
   > isolated itself from the rest of the world to the extent N. Korea did,   
   > thye would be starving too.   
      
   Why have they cut themselves off? Kim can't face the fact that his regime is   
   a failure, that's why.   
      
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