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   From: Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com   
      
   "Roger Johansson"  wrote in message   
   news:1172710937.246422.72470@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Feb 28, 5:29 pm, "Patriot Games"  wrote:   
   >> "uri"  wrote in message   
   >> > For true communism to work some things of value will need to be   
   >> > collective property like water resources, land, forestry and food   
   >> > resources. The means of production (like raw materials, the machines,   
   >> > buildings and land) will be collective property also.   
   >> Never gonna happen here, or anywhere else either.   
   >> Communism's time has come and gone...   
   > Old labels, like communism, liberalism, anarchism, which can mean very   
   > different things to different people are not very fruitful.   
   > It is better to discuss in concrete and practical terms about how we   
   > want the society to be organized, how and by whom decisions are made,   
   > how we organize the production and distribution of material   
   > necessities like food and housing, health care and schools.   
      
   We already have that figured out in America.   
      
   > Do we want a maximum of personal freedom?   
   > Then we should make sure everybody gets a maximum of personal freedom.   
      
   Did that.   
      
   > This leads us to voluntary work, so each person can decide for himself   
   > what to do and when to do it.   
      
   Got that.   
      
   > If we want social and economic inequality we need a big administration   
   > system to find out who should get more or less. It would be a lot   
   > simpler to assume that we need about the same amount of material   
   > necessities, then we do not need a money system.   
      
   We don't want that, that's why we don't have that.  Never will.   
      
   > If we decide to give everybody the same amount of personal property,   
   > cars, houses, apartments, boats, we only need a simple computer system   
   > like we have already like the car register, house and land register,   
   > and boat register.   
      
   We don't want that, that's why we don't have that.  Never will.   
      
   > You can register as your property such property up to a maximum limit,   
   > the same limit for everybody.   
      
   We don't want that, that's why we don't have that.  Never will.   
      
   > Food and clothes can be free to get in supermarkets.   
      
   We don't want that, that's why we don't have that.  Never will.   
      
   > Then we would all get a maximum of personal freedom, and we would not   
   > be dependent on anybody else, like a husband, an employer, an   
   > investment capitalist, a banker, an insurance company.   
      
   We don't want that, that's why we don't have that.  Never will.   
      
   > We need a way to make decisions about issues so we can use a   
   > democratic system, in the local town, in the country, in the world.   
      
   We got that.   
      
   > The democratic system can only tell people what is not allowed.   
   > You cannot drive your car on the wrong side of the road, you cannot   
   > steal from others, you may not kill, threaten or bully other people,   
   > etc..   
      
   We got that.   
      
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