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   From: briquenoir@freeuk.c0m   
      
   James A. Donald  wrote in message   
   news:s4ja03dokafo8skmidc7436g549l9ipktp@4ax.com...   
   > Paul Bramscher   
   > > > > Not mine.  I think we need to toss off those who   
   > > > > claim monopolies of real estate and natural   
   > > > > resources, to restore an open space such that   
   > > > > anyone may sustainably collect resources (berries,   
   > > > > mushrooms, seed, firewood, meat, fish, etc.),   
   > > > > erect a home, squat in a tent, etc.   
   >   
   > James A. Donald:   
   > > > Plenty of room to do that now.  No one wants to do   
   > > > it.  They prefer to live in cities.  Modern hunter   
   > > > gatherers are not only vanishing because farmers   
   > > > stole most of their land.  Quite a bit of land   
   > > > remains.  They are also vanishing because they   
   > > > prefer to hunt and gather from rubbish heaps and   
   > > > dumpsters.   
   >   
   > Haines Brown   
   > > Could you survive on your own in the wilderness? I may   
   > > be a city animal, but I've read enough to know that it   
   > > is almost impossible except in the short term, in   
   > > reasonably favorable circumstances, and using some   
   > > modern equipment.   
   >   
   > The proposal was to restore the primitive commons.  You   
   > are just telling me that the primitive commons is no   
   > good.  Quite so.  Just what I said.   
   >   
   > In order to have all the nice stuff of modernity, the   
   > primitive commons is no good.  Stuff has to be   
   > elaborately transformed.  This requires private property   
   > and markets - or else the central planning committee,   
   > gulags and mass murder.   
      
   or neither....   
      
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